Echohawk
Shirokinukatsukami fan
Not as far as I can see, no.
Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off the oozes
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GrayLinnorm
Explorer
Actually it appears on Temperate and Subtropical Conditions, Uninhabited/Wilderness Areas (p. 112); it's listed with the enveloper.
An enveloper/imorph appears in scrub, forest, rough terrain, and hills. The imorph is also on the dungeon encounter tables (p. 103).
An enveloper/imorph appears in scrub, forest, rough terrain, and hills. The imorph is also on the dungeon encounter tables (p. 103).
Echohawk
Shirokinukatsukami fan
Heh, well spotted! Who knew to look under "enveloper" for the imorph?
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Well, that fleshes out some of the peripheral stuff. I guess we need to get down to imorphing seriously. Let's settle a couple of questions:
1) How long should the transformation take (a fixed length of time, like 3 rounds or 1d4 rounds, or something based on the degree of transformation)?
2) Can the imorph transform into anything or just humanoids, monstrous humanoids, and giants, etc?
3) What changes? I believe we're agreed on AC, but I'm not sure what else.
1) How long should the transformation take (a fixed length of time, like 3 rounds or 1d4 rounds, or something based on the degree of transformation)?
2) Can the imorph transform into anything or just humanoids, monstrous humanoids, and giants, etc?
3) What changes? I believe we're agreed on AC, but I'm not sure what else.
Cleon
Legend
Depends how close to the original we want it, I'd go for it changing at a fixed rate (say 2 or 3 points of AC/attack per round), but a fixed number of rounds would work. Don't much fancy a random number of rounds, since that conflicts with it taking longer to imorph into a more powerful creature.
I'd say any (or almost any) living creature, not just man-shaped beings. So Aberration, Animal, Dragon, Giant, Humanoid, Magical Beast, Monstrous Humanoid and Vermin. That leaves out Elemental, Fey, Ooze, Outsider, Plant & Undead - and I'm not 100% decided on whether it can copy Oozes or Plants.
Armour Class, Attack/Grapple and Saves would probably be enough, I wouldn't bother with "virtual Hit Dice", since that'd be trickier.
Cleon
Legend
Thanks Linnorm, I suspected it was in the FF encounter tables but was too lazy to dig out my copy and check. So would a good fit to 3rd edition be:
Environment: Temperate and warm forests, hills or badlands and underground.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
The problem is that BAB/Grapple and Saves are defined by HD, so I'm not sure how I'd like to handle that. Maybe some other kind of bonus, like a racial bonus?
Shade
Monster Junkie
Hmmm...
I'm almost thinking it would be easier to simply grant the imorph a +1 enhancement bonus to natural armor, a +1 racial bonus on saving throws, and a +1 racial bonus on attack rolls each round until it matches the morphed creature.
Thus, an imorph mimicking a troll would gain...
1st round: No natural armor (they are already the same), +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref (Will is already superior to troll's)
2nd round: +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref
3rd round: +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref
4th round: +1 attack, +1 Fort (Reflex is now the same)
The trick is determining when it would take on the troll's attack modes and speed. We could just subtract the imorph's HD from the victim's to determine the number of round before full transformation occurs. Of course, that would make it gain the full troll abilities in one round, so my above example would be unnecessary.
I'm thinking imorphs should be able to take any shape, but only gain natural attacks and Ex abilities. So an imorph white dragon might gain claw, bite, wing buffets, and tail attacks, as well as icewalking, but wouldn't gain a breath weapon, spells, or SLAs.
We could but a HD cap of the creature it can mimic. Maybe double (or triple) the imorph's HD?
I'm almost thinking it would be easier to simply grant the imorph a +1 enhancement bonus to natural armor, a +1 racial bonus on saving throws, and a +1 racial bonus on attack rolls each round until it matches the morphed creature.
Thus, an imorph mimicking a troll would gain...
1st round: No natural armor (they are already the same), +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref (Will is already superior to troll's)
2nd round: +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref
3rd round: +1 attack, +1 Fort and Ref
4th round: +1 attack, +1 Fort (Reflex is now the same)
The trick is determining when it would take on the troll's attack modes and speed. We could just subtract the imorph's HD from the victim's to determine the number of round before full transformation occurs. Of course, that would make it gain the full troll abilities in one round, so my above example would be unnecessary.
I'm thinking imorphs should be able to take any shape, but only gain natural attacks and Ex abilities. So an imorph white dragon might gain claw, bite, wing buffets, and tail attacks, as well as icewalking, but wouldn't gain a breath weapon, spells, or SLAs.
We could but a HD cap of the creature it can mimic. Maybe double (or triple) the imorph's HD?
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Yes, I like this approach.
I say that it gains natural attacks and speed when natural armor, adjusted attack bonus, and saves all equal or exceed the target creature's. Regarding natural attacks, should there be no Str bonus applied, or should we give an enhancement bonus to damage, too?
So no type limitation on shapes? Sounds fair. I definitely agree on natural attacks and Ex only.
I'd maybe go with double.
Since imorphism starts when the imorph is in melee, should it have to make a successful attack (either tentacle or special touch) on the target? I could see that being the first round it starts to transform.
Reversion to a regular imorph should occur in exact reverse order of the transformation, I think.
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