Special Conversion Thread: Moldvay's Undead

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Updated.

Special Qualities: Damage reduction 5/cold iron?

Organization: Solitary or x (2-20)
x=pack? horde?

Challenge Rating: 3?

 

[demiurge1138]

CR 3 looks about right. I say yes to DR 5/cold iron. How about a party or a cohort as the group noun?

 

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"Party" does seem appropriate to a bunch of disorderly, dancing destroyers.

Updated.

Ready for the greater version?

 

[freyar]

Looks good! I say we're ready to move on, unless you guys think the DCs in the Dancing Frenzy are too easy.

For the greater one, keep pretty much whatever we have, advance HD, add SLAs? Should probably rejigger the stats, too, huh?

 

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Callicantzaros
FREQUENCY: Rare
NO APPEARING: 2-20
ARMOR CLASS: 5
MOVE: 15"
HIT DICE: 6
% IN LAIR: 10%
TREASURE TYPE: D
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: 2-12
SPECIAL ATTACKS: Nil
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
MAGIC RESISTANCE: Stand
INTELLIGENCE: Low
ALIGNMENT: Neutral evil
SIZE: L (6-8' tall)
PSIONIC ABILITY: Nil

Great Callicantzaros
FREQUENCY: Very rare
NO APPEARING: 1
ARMOR CLASS: - 1
MOVE: 18"
HIT DICE: 18 (90 hp)
% IN LAIR: 10%
TREASURE TYPE: I
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
DAMAGE/ATTACK: 6-36
SPECIAL ATTACKS: See below
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
Standard
INTELLIGENCE: Very
ALIGNMENT: Neutral evil
SIZE: L (10' tall)
PSIONIC ABILITY: Nil

Let's see...

9 more HD
6 better AC
Triple the damage output
Int is Very (11-12)

 

[demiurge1138]

I'd boost the dancing frenzy DC to 15, meself.

The Great might have the ability to suppress the negative effect of dancing frenzy of the lessers in a certain radius.

 

[freyar]

I'd boost the dancing frenzy DC to 15, meself.

The Great might have the ability to suppress the negative effect of dancing frenzy of the lessers in a certain radius.

I like both those ideas.

To account for higher damage and AC (partly), should we boost Str and Dex? (Con, too, while we're at it.)

 

[Shade]

I'd boost the dancing frenzy DC to 15, meself.

Consider it boosted.

The Great might have the ability to suppress the negative effect of dancing frenzy of the lessers in a certain radius.

Sounds good.

Increasing the lesser to Large, and increasing Int yields...
Str 27, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 16

Should we keep Dex the same as the lesser?

How much to boost Wis and Cha?

Following normal size increases to damage, this would raise damage output from 11-24 to 20-40 for a full attack. That's closer to double. Do we want to raise Strength more, raise base damage, raise both, or not worry about it?

 

[freyar]

Let's put Dex back at 16, right. Maybe Wis 12, Cha 18 or 20? These guys are pretty much automatically going to get big bonuses from dance checks. Maybe we should modify their frenzy somehow.

 

[demiurge1138]

Let's raise base damage a bit.