Stacking Blur and Mirror Image

[pawsplay]

What?!

Illusions can't be opaque? What ever gave you that idea?

It's a figment. Figments aren't real. Therefore, it can't cast a real shadow.

 

[Nail]

Huh?

So wait.....you are saying that light passes right through a figment? Then why can't you see through a figment?

 

[werk]

That's interesting, because figments are unreal and hence the illusion cannot be opaque. Can you also target the empty space between the image and the shadow?

Huh?

^^

If Chewbacca lived on Endor then my client is not guilty!

 

[pawsplay]

Huh?

So wait.....you are saying that light passes right through a figment? Then why can't you see through a figment?

Because of its illusory qualities.

 

[moritheil]

Huh?

So wait.....you are saying that light passes right through a figment? Then why can't you see through a figment?

Now I'm confused. Are you asking "why can you see a figment?"

 

[Kahuna Burger]

^^

If Chewbacca lived on Endor then my client is not guilty!

This thread has indeed gotten surreal.

 

[moritheil]

This thread has indeed gotten surreal.

It's only a matter of time before people start posting about "cowbell!"

 

[Kahuna Burger]

It's only a matter of time before people start posting about "cowbell!"

I'm gonna go against convention wisdom and say that the thread doesn't need any more cowbell.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

However, I see no support for the FAQ answer in either spell. I agree that the MI figment would look blurry, but it's the same as the figment turning green when the caster pours paint on his head. The figment is not painted; it's just representing paint. The figment is not subject to Blur; it's just representing a person subject to Blur.

-Hyp.

However, Blur is not a physical effect. Its a visual one. The visual effect IS the effect. So if the image copies it, its blurred (and has concealment). The argument against seems along the lines that if someone uses a disguise self spell and casts mirror image, that the MI's would still look the same but not be convincing.

It seems clear they should stack.

 

[SlagMortar]

Actually, disguise self is a good example. Suppose the Shorty the Wizard casts mirror image and then disguise self to appear 1' taller and then stands perfectly still. The images all grow 1' taller. Harold the Headsman walks up with his axe and swings at one of the mirror images, striking a horizontal blow at eye level - the part of Shorty that is actually just part of the disguise self illusion. Is the image destroyed?

Yes. The mirror image is a figment that is 1' taller than Shorty. Even though Harold's attack would not have struck Shorty if Harold had attacked the real Shorty, it did strike the part of the image.

Now, Shorty gets worried so he casts Blur and takes off running. Shorty and his images are now blurry, and also 1' taller than normal. Harold runs after him and attacks one of the images. He rolls a 15 on his 20% miss chance, which means he struck the blurry outline of one of the images. If his attack had been directed against Shorty, it would have missed because it hit the blurry outline instead. However, the blurry outline of the image is still part of the image, just as the extra 1' in height is part of the image. The image is destroyed.