Star Trek Discovery not getting any better I fear.

Had hopes for the new season of Discovery as I have been a major Trekker since I first watched the original series in the '60s. This is only my opinion so take it with a grain of salt but the show runners have somehow managed to make Star Trek almost unwatchable.

Michael continues to add to her resume: now in addition to being the best pilot and best science officer, she also has a complete understanding of engineering systems. And the direction--just terrible, I can't remember when I last watched a show with so many people standing around doing literally nothing while the protagonist literally does everything. Standing with concerned looks on their faces, hands hanging loosely at their sides the other officer's body language was cliche and consistent with innocent bystanders waiting to be saved.

Finally what is with the continued cursing by everyone and what happened to any semblance of respect for the chain of command or higher-ranked officers? Guys and Gals (writers or directors) although Star Fleet isn't a military for pete's sake even the crew on a cruise ship or a freighter don't voice whatever flippant thought that pops into their heads and ignore direct orders or contravene them like the crew of the Discovery does.

Although it is out of context Jack Nicholson had it right (especially aboard a ship in deep space): "we follow orders or people die". In my opinion it should be a rare and meaningful moment that a crew member chooses to disobey a direct order not business as usual.

Nope. Didn't like it. Not at all.

My gauge for Star Trek is pretty simple: Would I be excited to visit the world being presented in the stories. Honestly--not at all.

MK
 
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lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Given that I rather enjoyed Discovery, I'm not sure it matters that it didn't get any better.
I enjoyed the ST: Disco

Well, I should say that parts of it were good, parts of it were not so good, and while I admired their reach, it seemed to exceed their grasp. Still, I think it's better that they are trying too much, and failing at times, than just re-treading over the same material in order to appeal to an aging fan base.

THAT SAID, I haven't watched the first episode of season 2 yet, and I think the show is weakest when it goes too hard where TOS has already been, which is why I am .... not necessarily thrilled with what I understand this season to be about. :(
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I enjoyed the new episode immensely. Pike was perfectly cast, the Enterprise was gorgeous (shame we won’t see much of it) and the plot has me hooked already.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
Pike was awesome, and it was an episode pretty much entirely about exploration and mystery, which is great.

I didn't care much for that action landing sequence, though. On the other hand, that was one of the only few "tense" moments in the episode, so I guess it wouldn't have worked without something like that, but the sequence specifically wasn't that great.

Now I have to wait a whole week for the next episode. Meh.
 

MarkB

Hero
Pike was awesome, and it was an episode pretty much entirely about exploration and mystery, which is great.

I didn't care much for that action landing sequence, though. On the other hand, that was one of the only few "tense" moments in the episode, so I guess it wouldn't have worked without something like that, but the sequence specifically wasn't that great.

Now I have to wait a whole week for the next episode. Meh.
It's not really that the action landing sequence was bad, just that we've seen dozens like it. It's pretty much a rip-off of Kirk and Khan's EVA in Star Trek Into Darkness, and there've been plenty of similar sequences. They did at least subvert the "redshirt dies first" trope, but it felt like that was half the reason they made the sequence.

Also, I'm not sure why the pods' tails kept spinning. Was the spinning helpful in some way?
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
It's not really that the action landing sequence was bad, just that we've seen dozens like it. It's pretty much a rip-off of Kirk and Khan's EVA in Star Trek Into Darkness, and there've been plenty of similar sequences. They did at least subvert the "redshirt dies first" trope, but it felt like that was half the reason they made the sequence.

Also, I'm not sure why the pods' tails kept spinning. Was the spinning helpful in some way?
I say "gyro-stabilization", but I really think: "CGI bovine excrement". ;)
 

Hussar

Legend
I liked the episode. Fun. Trekkie. Cool. And some bloody gorgeous scenes.

But yeah. The spinny tails were stupid and distracting.
 

Aeson

Adventurer
Tig Notaro and her "kids" made a great entrance. Pike was better than I expected. If the rest of the season is as good as the first episode then I look forward to it. Oh hell, I'll watch it even if it sucks.
 

Derren

Adventurer
I give it a few more episodes but I have no interest in Star Trek: Burnham. I hope the other characters will get more spotlight and are allowed to do things besides applauding to Mary Sue. Also, more sensible logic, less pod races please.
I wonder if they only brought in Linus for that awful sneeze "joke". Apparently there are no manners in Starfleet...
 
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Hussar

Legend
Why is Burnham a “Mary Sue?” Umm she hasn’t done anything that any other Star Trek bridge officer can’t do.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Guys, let’s steer clear of yet another thread derailed by that godawful “she’s a Mary Sue” thing.
 
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Aeson

Adventurer
Red text. Fleee!!!!!!

If it matters to anyone, Jonathan Frakes directed tomorrow's episode.
 
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Mallus

Hero
Besides the asteroid sequence running on too long, I really liked the season 2 premiere. Felt like the writers were making it clear they'd addressing weaknesses in the first season, like when Pike calls for a roll-call on the bridge. Hopefully this will be more of an ensemble show from now on.

Loved the lighter tone, Pike, Jet Reno (a Cowboy Bebop name in Star Trek? I'll allow it), the engineer who can totally read a book about doctoring, the Tilly & Stammets Show, and the general impression the show runners are going to use the 2009 film as a touchstone.
 

Aeson

Adventurer
To me this episode was a lot like older Treks. An away mission, techno babble solution to crisis, Prime Directive. I thought it deepened the red angel story and moved it along also.

I have to stop watching this guy on Youtube. He has a channel where he critiques The Orville and Discovery. He loves The Orville and hates Discovery. He seems to be unable to find anything positive to say about Discovery. Maybe unwiling is a better word. My first experience watch Anson Mount was Inhumans. I suppose not the best vehicle for him. I am liking him as Pike. The Pike/Burnham pairing is what I kinda would have liked from Janeway/Chakotay. In the end it seems, no matter how much they try to be more like traditional Trek, people are going to hate it more. I'm enjoying it more.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I really enjoyed this one.

I think the only thing I wish is that they update the uniforms to the ones Pike was wearing when he arrived.
 
Hi All,

I found this weeks episode to be much more entertaining and balanced. The writers still have the unfortunate habit of trotting out the 'disobey a direct order' trope. It is fast becoming a cliche which completely negates the purpose of a chain of command especially when in all instances the commander is in error.

One of the things I remember from the original star trek writers handbook was a passage where Gene Roddenberry advised the writers that one of the most important precepts of the show was that events despite their fantastical milieu should be logical and feel true. I believe that the litmus test he used was take the situation strip away the fantastic elements and it should still work on the bridge of a modern warship. This was extremely savvy of the Great Bird of the Galaxy and I think is why the stories and situations are still entertaining on multiple watches. Verisimilitude.

Discovery has definite potential I just wish the writers would apply this rule. How much better the stories might be.

This week was worth the time.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Current rumours, based on Twitter posts by Anson Mount (Christopher Pike), are that Discovery is to be cancelled. At least one Youtuber (Nerdrotic) is claiming inside information with respect to this.

I think he's wrong and is banking everything on Mount's comments that he was unemployed, that to me just sounds like Pike is a one season character arc, and it's going to continue production for a season 3. I make no bones about not liking the show, but misconstruing one tweet to bury a show is ridiculous.
 

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