Star Trek X: I've seen it!

KenM · Dec 14, 2002

Going to see movie tonight, but I heard that Wesley's part had been cut significally, I thought they would at least why he was still not a superbeing, as the traveler hinted at in the final TNG episode with Wesley. Maybe we'll see on DVD.

Silver Moon · Dec 14, 2002

KenM said:
Going to see movie tonight, but I heard that Wesley's part had been cut significally, I thought they would at least why he was still not a superbeing, as the traveler hinted at in the final TNG episode with Wesley. Maybe we'll see on DVD.

He didn't even have a line - all we saw of Wesley was him sitting next to his mother.

Welverin · Dec 15, 2002

Silver Moon said:
He didn't even have a line - all we saw of Wesley was him sitting next to his mother.

Which I didn't even notice.

I liked the movie, but only slightly above indifferent.

JacktheRabbit · Dec 15, 2002

Some comments.

1. Killing Data was just lame He was pretty much the only reason In watched Star Trek. I have to even wonder why Data thought it was so important that Data sacrifice himself to save Picard.

2. B4 - Great now if we have more movies we get to see the worst parts of Data from the first couple seasons of Star Trek.

3. Gee what a surprise the greatest danger in the movie is another techno-babble form of radiation.

4. The self destruct is disabled? Huh? The Enterprise is fueled via anti-matter. How do you disable that when all you need to do is let the stuff out all at once and let it react.

5. Hasnt anyone in ST ever heard of a grenade? I could have taken both parties in the phaser fight with two grenades.

6. I understand why B4 was left to be found by the Enterprise. He was to steal data. Are you telling me that every Starfleet ship contains a complete list of battle for Starfleet including the location of every ship?

7. The Remans build a ship more powerful than anything in the Alpha Quadrant and no one knows about it?

I must say that I enjoyed the movie more than I hated it though it did feel like a long episode. I really hate though the death of Data and because of that I cannot say I am happy about the movie.

Dinkeldog · Dec 16, 2002

I saw it with a group of 5 five friends. We all liked it.

shadowlight · Dec 16, 2002

I said this on another thread, but:

hmm... I enjoyed the movie (admittedly, I have low expectations for ST movies). The only thing that really bothered me was the terrible music!! Especially in the "Leap from the Spaceship" scene (with very cheerful music playing). If you want to see one done right, check this out:
http://bungiehalo.servegame.com:8080/videos/halo2.mpeg
Other Versions:
http://halo.bungie.org/misc/halo2trailermirrors.html

Ghostwind · Dec 16, 2002

1. Killing Data was just lame He was pretty much the only reason In watched Star Trek. I have to even wonder why Data thought it was so important that Data sacrifice himself to save Picard.

Brent Spiner indicated during pre-production that he did not want to play Data anymore because of typecasting issues and the fact that his increasing age would be too hard to disguise (since Data does not age). He felt the character should be killed off in an appropriate manner. I don't know if this was what he had in mind, but they did kill him off.

2. B4 - Great now if we have more movies we get to see the worst parts of Data from the first couple seasons of Star Trek.

Despite the door being left wide open, I severely doubt we will ever see it happen. But then again, money talks.

3. Gee what a surprise the greatest danger in the movie is another techno-babble form of radiation.

Yeah, it's about as original as the Enterprise getting another butt-whooping in every movie since ST VI.

4. The self destruct is disabled? Huh? The Enterprise is fueled via anti-matter. How do you disable that when all you need to do is let the stuff out all at once and let it react.

Don't you just hate those overly redundant safety systems that always interfere with common sense??

5. Hasnt anyone in ST ever heard of a grenade? I could have taken both parties in the phaser fight with two grenades.

Remember, the screenplay was written by John Logan (who wrote Gladiator). He probably still had his head stuck in Roman times...

6. I understand why B4 was left to be found by the Enterprise. He was to steal data. Are you telling me that every Starfleet ship contains a complete list of battle for Starfleet including the location of every ship?

Didn't you know this was standard protocol? It's been brought up before in other movies going back to ST:TMP and even in a few of the various television episodes (although at least Voyager's information was somewhat dated).

7. The Remans build a ship more powerful than anything in the Alpha Quadrant and no one knows about it?

Well, you know... Secret race, secret ship...

I think they had the potential to do so much more with the movie and the characters. I think if Paramount was smart, they would release a director's cut DVD when it comes out so we can all benefit with a much better script. I am willing to bet that most of the good stuff wound up on the floor. The franchise is in dire need of a major hit and I am not sure it can do it with the current writing/production staff.

The whole franchise has strayed away from the epic sense that Roddenberry gave everything to the 2-minute soundbyte we see today. There's a lot always going on in the galaxy and it would be nice to see a movie that was truely epic in scope but original in story. [/end hallucination]

JacktheRabbit · Dec 16, 2002

I can understand Brent Spiner wanting to move on. If that is the case then why the bit with B4? That leaves an opening for him to get dragged back into things.

I think what I hate most about the death of Data is how little there was after it. One quick drink among the Bridge Staff and that is it. The next scene and everyone is all smiles again.

Jeremy · Dec 16, 2002

Chain Lightning said:
7.) Obviously, in the future, soldiers are no longer trained on how to proceed through close quarter combat areas... ...The most powerful boarding party in the Trek universe would be a squad of SWAT policemen transported from the past. Teleport them onto any ship and they would destroy all aboard.

Check out what soldiers TODAY are learning to use and imagine if a squad was equipped with non-hull wrecking versions of these...

Objective Individual Combat Weapon, aka BFG 2003

Black Omega · Dec 16, 2002

DocMoriartty said:
I can understand Brent Spiner wanting to move on. If that is the case then why the bit with B4? That leaves an opening for him to get dragged back into things.

The overall theme of the episode..er..movie

was that you are the sum of your memories. Picard's clone had a different set of memories, so he was ultimately a different person. B4 has all of Data's memories, so once he assimilates it all, he can basically become Data.

A little heavy on the theme but Trek's rarely been subtle.

The B4 thing, sadly, was why we saw the death of Data coming miles away. Once his memories were transfered, the backup for Data was all set when Data was killed.

I suppose Brent thought it was safe since this is likely the last ST:TNG movie, and with B4 the movie can end on an up note, while not contradicting 'All Good Things'.