Paul Farquhar
Legend
Tony Stark does look rather like a villain with good PR to me.
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Ruin Explorer
Legend
I wouldn't categorizing pouring funding into an ultra-elite institution largely attended by the upper and upper-middle class, and that has itself educated any number of warmongers and people who have gone on to develop weapons of war as exactly repudiating his earlier actions, personally. I think this illustrates a failure of imagination on the part of the writers of Civil War though, primarily.
It's pretty basic writing that if you want to give an impression a character is doing something, you find a way to write it in. Which doesn't seem to have actually happened. The idea that you can just claim a guy is "doing good" without in any way showing it is one of the failings of a lot of recent MCU movies, and illustrates, I think, a bit of a failure to understand their own genre - it's clear they know it doesn't have to be all-action all the time, but what they do spend time on can sometimes be questionable.
That's a pretty silly question, isn't it? (Because this is the internet, I will clarify that the answer is "yes") It's not even an effective piece of rhetoric, because all you're demonstrating is how forgettable these movies were. As I said re: IM3, it's such a bad movie I've basically blocked it from my memory lol.
Sure, but the company is still running and still somehow making money, and it's very unclear whether it's just Tony who has stopped making weapons to sell, or whether the company also has, and what counts as "selling".
Yeah I remember that and I think made reference to it earlier, but it doesn't seem like anyone else has arc reactors except the girl who independently came up with them, which given they seem to be miniature fusion reactors, should be rapidly and completely reconfiguring society. File under "failure to follow up on their own world-building", I guess, which is an increasingly towering/tottering pile with the main MCU.
I mean, they seem to be really taking him in that direction with the more recent news, but that's for another thread I guess!
Belen
Legend
Pot calling kettle?
You are arguing for a mythical future that cannot be supported either.
My experience with the kids who like Star Wars is that they do not like the ST. You can further see this from items like toy sales. The kids want PT and OT toys. They do not want ST toys. The local toy shop, which is a bit famous for hosting things such as retro toycon, refuses to even buy sealed vintage and black series ST figures. They sell maybe 1-2 a year.
Ratings for new Star Wars content have cratered and sales of SW novels have tanked.
I know many people who defend and even like the ST and it is fine if they do although they always all seem to discuss it using the same general phrases and terminology. I am never sure if they genuinely like it or if they just want to argue about it.
As for exposure, my son saw New Hope before TFA, and then the first 5 before TLJ. We saw all of the ST in theatres on opening night.
He and my daughter routinely watch the OT and PT yet will not watch the ST. I even suggest watching the ST from time to time and it is a flat refusal.
And, Star Wars was never uncool for me. I hid my love of it for a while to avoid the jerks who liked to make fun of "geeky" things, but there was never a cooling off phase for it.
Finally, Star Wars is largely non-existent for most of the kids. I ask my son if anyone talks about it around school etc and the answer is no.
That may change but I think it is just a sign that the brand is damaged.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
That’s a very small sample size these days. Only Lego Star Wars gets much recognition.
They don’t like any of the ancient movies (Rise of Skywalker came out 5 years ago, that makes it ancient to the current crop of kids).
The kids want Lego. They have no idea which movie it is from, since they haven’t watched any of them all the way though.
But it’s irrelevant if it’s possible to make episodes 6-9 less bad or not. Filoni believes it is and acts accordingly.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
So the same as the 1990s? Possibly the '00s?
I was born in 1978, saw all the OT (and Ewok lol) movies growing up, had bunch of Star Wars toys, and frankly, kids at school didn't talk about them much at all. Nobody pretended to be a Jedi or w/e. Not a primary school, and not at secondary school. In primary school, i.e. up to age 10/11, re: on-screen SF, it was mostly about Dr Who, Back to the Future and Indiana Jones, with brief faddish interests in other stuff. In secondary school, up to age 18, it was Aliens, Terminator 1/2, Robocop. Period. We were desperate for any good 1990s SF but it basically didn't start existing until about 1998. Star Wars wasn't a nerdy/geeky thing - ironically that was part of the issue, I think, it was perceived as mainstream and a bit boring/uncontroversial. What was there to say about it? It was fun enough. It didn't spur our imaginations or feelings in the way stuff like Aliens and Terminator did. Star Trek did get discussed a bit - a lot more than Star Wars, that's for sure.
Even re: toys, nobody was very excited by any SW toys which weren't inherently cool (AT-ATs were inherently cool, the Millennium Falcon was decidedly not, it was just a horizontal doll's house), at least in my age cohort in the '80s. Cool toys were Lego and Transformers, primarily. To be clear we didn't have really have GI Joe, and I know had I been born like 4 years later, TMNT would have also been involved. But apart from Lego and Transformers, Saturday-morning-style cartoons were pretty balkanized, most kids had a couple they really liked, but of like MASK, Ulysses 31, Thundercats, He-Man and a whole bunch of more obscure/now-forgotten stuff (Thunderbirds 2086, Starcom, etc.), any given kid would like 1-2 a lot and think the rest were okay, meaning those toys were pretty specific. Zoids did actually have quite a moment at one point, like a fad that last 1-2 years at least.
Gradine
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So, the promise of the new age of Star Wars live action content was that we'd finally get to see stuff from the larger galaxy, not tied to the overarching "Skywalker Saga". We've been getting snippets of that but this looks highly promising.
I showed the trailer to my wife, who has been "meh" on Star Wars for a while now, and she was like "Star Wars but it's The Goonies? Hell yeah." And I'm like... same.
I showed the trailer to my wife, who has been "meh" on Star Wars for a while now, and she was like "Star Wars but it's The Goonies? Hell yeah." And I'm like... same.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
Bumping this up because we now have an official start date of Dec 3rd and will have 8 episodes.
Edit: forgot to add that a 2-episode premier is confirmed also.
Edit: forgot to add that a 2-episode premier is confirmed also.
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The Soloist
Hero
About the comments above. It's all relative to your place in time.
I was born in 1965. In 1977, at age 12, Star Wars certainly fueled our imagination locally. We read the SW comic strip in the newspaper, bought and traded SW bubblegum cards, and desperately hoped for Star Wars toys on birthdays and for Christmas. I dressed up as Luke Skywalker on Halloween.
We tried to make an R2D2 with car batteries, wiper motors, and a trash can. We bought, built and launched Estes Mini Rockets. We played the Death Star board game. Later, many of us studied computer programming and electronics because of that movie. Add D&D Basic in 1980, to that, our fate was sealed. We were the first cohort of Geeks.
There was a before Star Wars and an after Star Wars. Before SW we built muscle car, hot rod and groovy econoline van plastic kits. After SW we wanted starfighters, spaceships and space stations plastic kits. It was a cultural lightning rod and changed our lives.
Forums and MySpace enabled the connected fandom. If we had that in the late 70s, the same thing would have happened then. We just didn't have the tools.
I was born in 1965. In 1977, at age 12, Star Wars certainly fueled our imagination locally. We read the SW comic strip in the newspaper, bought and traded SW bubblegum cards, and desperately hoped for Star Wars toys on birthdays and for Christmas. I dressed up as Luke Skywalker on Halloween.
We tried to make an R2D2 with car batteries, wiper motors, and a trash can. We bought, built and launched Estes Mini Rockets. We played the Death Star board game. Later, many of us studied computer programming and electronics because of that movie. Add D&D Basic in 1980, to that, our fate was sealed. We were the first cohort of Geeks.
There was a before Star Wars and an after Star Wars. Before SW we built muscle car, hot rod and groovy econoline van plastic kits. After SW we wanted starfighters, spaceships and space stations plastic kits. It was a cultural lightning rod and changed our lives.
Forums and MySpace enabled the connected fandom. If we had that in the late 70s, the same thing would have happened then. We just didn't have the tools.
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