Star Wars Spoilers Thread [Spoilers]

So here's my review: 100% a Star Wars film which belongs with the original trilogy.

It's a transitional film, but it does it well. The new generation is really good.

I think the major death was kinda signposted a bit. You knew it was coming long before it happened. I felt worse for Chewie, but he, Rey, and BB8 make a great team.

Is this the first Star Wars film where nobody gets their hand cut off?

Luke lives in Ireland, eh?

Question: WHY was there a map to Luke, and why was it split into two? I feel like I missed something. For that matter, why a map and not just some coordinates? Seems like a random puzzle set up for the sake of it.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Yes, I noticed all this groundwork, but it clearly wasn't enough to carry me through the scene. I wanted to share Rey's moment of doubt as she rejects the hero's call, and I wasn't able to because I didn't know the first thing about who she was waiting for, or why she was waiting for them.

Compare that with Finn: even though I did't love his decision to hop a freighter for the far reaches of space as I felt he was veering toward stupid on demand, I still clearly understood WHAT he was running from, because I had seen the bad guys in all their nefarious glory. I could join him at the crossroads, and contemplate the consequences of accepting or rejecting the hero's call.



I'm not sure it was made very clear at all--I was listening for any indication one way or the other, and I don't believe we were even assured it was her family. Just "someone" and "somebody." Perhaps I'm mistaken--but the fact that I'm not 100% certain means the exposition wasn't even close to clear enough for me.

So the issue isn't that there wasn't an establishment of her motivations, it's that those motivations were not laid out with enough crunchy details for you? Okay, I'm good with that. I didn't need the details to understand the motivation, but I guess I can see where someone else might.

 

[Staffan]

Do any of the movies ever suggest that she is strong in the force, as opposed to just force sensitive to an unknown degree?

"The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it."

 

[Umbran]

"The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it."

Along with: "There is another" - Yoda.

 

[dd.stevenson]

So the issue isn't that there wasn't an establishment of her motivations, it's that those motivations were not laid out with enough crunchy details for you? Okay, I'm good with that. I didn't need the details to understand the motivation, but I guess I can see where someone else might.

Without wishing to debate semantics, I think that establishing motivation means laying out the motivation in sufficient crunchy detail for the viewer. But, yes, whichever way you want to call it, I was unsatisfied with Rey's motivation in this and other scenes.

 

[MechaPilot]

Along with: "There is another" - Yoda.

Speaking of which, did Obi Wan lose some memories in the ghost transformation?

Obi Wan: "That boy is our last hope. Man, it would be awesome if he had a twin, right?"
-Yoda sighs audibly-

At least that's how that part always plays in my head.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

"The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it."

This and the Yoda line just establish that Leia is force sensitive. They give no indication of her power. The strength here refers to the bloodline. All Skywalkera are sensitive, BC the bloodline is strong in the force.this gives us no reason to assume a power level for any given Skywalker.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Without wishing to debate semantics, I think that establishing motivation means laying out the motivation in sufficient crunchy detail for the viewer. But, yes, whichever way you want to call it, I was unsatisfied with Rey's motivation in this and other scenes.

Yeah, that was my point. They did so for me, but not for you, and the only difference seems to be that you wanted more questions answered before you'd accept the presented motivation. Again, that's cool, we disagree.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Finally went and watched this. Not sure, it was good but far from great. Way too much rehashing of the original trilogy and getting the story to the same point they were at in EP4. Seems like the struggle of the original trilogy was largely wasted and kind of meaningless ultimately which I found disappointing. The political situation here was not very well explained and kind of silly I thought. Wasn't very impressed by Kylo Ren as a villain, I didn't get any menace from him at all. Hopefully the next one is to this one what ESB was to the original SW.

 

[Hand of Evil]

With Rey, just want to point out the "doll" in her hut (walker wreckage) was of a rebel pilot.

It should be noted she was on the planet where the Falcon ended up, which we are told was stolen, but we don't know when it was stolen, it is possible that she was on it at the time it was taken.

 

[MoonSong]

Yes, I noticed all this groundwork, but it clearly wasn't enough to carry me through the scene. I wanted to share Rey's moment of doubt as she rejects the hero's call, and I wasn't able to because I didn't know the first thing about who she was waiting for, or why she was waiting for them.

Compare that with Finn: even though I did't love his decision to hop a freighter for the far reaches of space as I felt he was veering toward stupid on demand, I still clearly understood WHAT he was running from, because I had seen the bad guys in all their nefarious glory. I could join him at the crossroads, and contemplate the consequences of accepting or rejecting the hero's call.

I'm not sure it was made very clear at all--I was listening for any indication one way or the other, and I don't believe we were even assured it was her family. Just "someone" and "somebody." Perhaps I'm mistaken--but the fact that I'm not 100% certain means the exposition wasn't even close to clear enough for me.

Well, she was abandoned by her primary caretaker, that is way enough for me to relate to and understand. The first time I was completely alone I was terrified -I was four-, and afraid my mom would never come back. In the end I could cope because I knew she was coming back, and thankfully she came back after less than an hour. But what if she hadn't? Rey was alone for years and only by hanging on to "they'll be back, they'll be back" mantra she could cope and adapt. She felt anxiety the moment she wasn't in the same place anymore, because she no longer had the illusion of control. It doesn't matter exactly who she was waiting for; it had to be a parent or a parent by proxy.