Stargate Emoverse to be cancelled

[catsclaw227]

Not that No. 6 . The original No. 6. The No. 6 that should be considered the de facto No. 6 when no further information is available.

One of my fave characters of all time, along with Kirk. Bauer's a good example of a character that isn't "likable" by a long shot but is certainly enjoyable and entertaining.

Ahhh.... THAT Number 6. Well then, your assessment was spot on.

As for my Number 6, well, I always felt that was a nuanced character, with each incarnation being the same as each other but different in subtle, visible ways.

 

[Felon]

BTW, my apologies Felon if my post to you came out as insulting or rude. It was not my intent. I just get very annoyed when people go the "your just not sophisticated enough" route when discussing their likes versus someone else. Its a bit of a hot button when discussing movies or shows.

Don't worry about it. You're not that off-base. I am often apalled at the types of shows that struggle and the ohter types of shows that last an insufferable number of seasons. Who is it that's watching Ghost Hunters every week for years on end, for instance? And we complain about SGU or The Cape's awfulness? I'm not disgusted with the show in question as I am with the standards of folks who watch it. And the inevitable response is to thumb one's nose at the idea of having standards in what we consume, and to suggest that if I don't like I should "just not watch it" (which rather misses the point).

 

[Fast Learner]

That being said, the real deciders here (the dollars) is pretty overwelmingly in my favor. How many shows who go the edgy, no one you really like, attitude are as sucessful as shows that create likeable characters that you can root for? Its not to say its impossible to do. I am sure there are sucessful shows and movies out there where you dont like any of the characters, but its much less common and a lot harder to pull off sucessfully.

I absolutely agree that such shows are less popular. That doesn't make them less good. The opinion held by the largest group of people isn't more right than the opinion held by others.

The biggest problem with SGU was quite simply it was a fraud. It was not a Stargate show, it was a show with a stargate in it and there is a huge difference.

"Fraud" isn't really the right word, to me, because it's set in the same universe in many ways. It definitely doesn't have the feeling of the other shows, though, so I certainly understand why fans of the other series would be disappointed.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

I absolutely agree that such shows are less popular. That doesn't make them less good. The opinion held by the largest group of people isn't more right than the opinion held by others.


"Fraud" isn't really the right word, to me, because it's set in the same universe in many ways. It definitely doesn't have the feeling of the other shows, though, so I certainly understand why fans of the other series would be disappointed.

Very true. "Jackass" is a very popular show, it is, just like most reality shows, very stupid.

I know fraud isn't the right show, I m just not sue what is. You get my poib though. They wrote a show that superficially fits into Stargate universe burgundy certainly did not write a Stargate show.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

It seemed a perfectly fine- if darker- SG show IMHO. Not to everyone's liking, of course. Heck, I didn't like every episode either...but overall, I found it enjoyable and thought provoking.

 

[catsclaw227]

Come on Doc --

You seem dead set on convincing SGU likers that their taste in TV programming isn't as well developed as yours.

I liked SGU, and yet I would be counted against it because I watched it on DVR somtimes more than 7 days after first release. Nielsed ratings, these days, is an obsolete measuring stick for shows. It happned in most visible effect with Jericho.

During the same season as SGU season 1, I was watching John Stewart, Colbert Report, enjoying the new Sparticus, watching True Blood and delving into other programming.

Forget the fact that my primary tv was stuck on Nick Jr for 10-12 hours a day because I have a toddler.

SGU was a late weekend marathon to catch up on episodes lost, and I liked it. But I would never fit into Nielson or other rankings. I imagine there are otheres in my boat as well.

All of my friends that liked new BSG... liked SGU.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Come on Doc --

You seem dead set on convincing SGU likers that their taste in TV programming isn't as well developed as yours.

I liked SGU, and yet I would be counted against it because I watched it on DVR somtimes more than 7 days after first release. Nielsed ratings, these days, is an obsolete measuring stick for shows. It happned in most visible effect with Jericho.

During the same season as SGU season 1, I was watching John Stewart, Colbert Report, enjoying the new Sparticus, watching True Blood and delving into other programming.

Forget the fact that my primary tv was stuck on Nick Jr for 10-12 hours a day because I have a toddler.

SGU was a late weekend marathon to catch up on episodes lost, and I liked it. But I would never fit into Nielson or other rankings. I imagine there are otheres in my boat as well.

All of my friends that liked new BSG... liked SGU.

So your saying that the obselete Nielson system killed SGU because it doesnt account for DVRs? Yet how do the dozens of other top rated shows on television survive under the very same system?

The fact is the show was not very popular, it didnt carry over nearly enough SG1 and SGA fans, and the producers even admit this when they talk of cancelling the show when they mention the constant ire of fans which destroyed it.

The producers tried to create chocolate ice cream that doesnt taste like chocolate ice cream. Then, to the very end, they blamed lovers of chocolate ice cream for intentionally trying to destroy their product.

A quote from one of the shows creators.

Brad Wright, claims: "I don’t think if we for any reason go away, it is an issue necessarily of the quality of the product that we’ve been making. I think getting moved on the schedule has hurt us. And the fact that some of the fans that liked SG-1 and Atlantis were so angry that they have deliberately hurt us, which is unfortunate".

 

[catsclaw227]

So your saying that the obselete Nielson system killed SGU because it doesnt account for DVRs? Yet how do the dozens of other top rated shows on television survive under the very same system?

What I am saying is that the Nielsen system is antiquated in today's world for determining how popular a show is. Yes, they have some new metrics like DVR+7 (or whatever they call their DVR ratings), but these are all advertiser based ratings.

I am also saying that what Nielsen says is popular isn't always the case. It works for the particular segment of the population that watches live TV, but there are some fan-popular shows that get canceled because Nielsen ad ratings were poor, even though DVR ratings were very good. And popular =/= good (though, admittedly, "good" may be too subjective to quantify).

And how do you rate webisodes? I read somewhere that The Guild episodes have had something over 100 million views since they started. That is some serious viewership for a web show that got popular through (mostly) word of mouth.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

What I am saying is that the Nielsen system is antiquated in today's world for determining how popular a show is. Yes, they have some new metrics like DVR+7 (or whatever they call their DVR ratings), but these are all advertiser based ratings.

I am also saying that what Nielsen says is popular isn't always the case. It works for the particular segment of the population that watches live TV, but there are some fan-popular shows that get canceled because Nielsen ad ratings were poor, even though DVR ratings were very good. And popular =/= good (though, admittedly, "good" may be too subjective to quantify).

And how do you rate webisodes? I read somewhere that The Guild episodes have had something over 100 million views since they started. That is some serious viewership for a web show that got popular through (mostly) word of mouth.

My point is that every single show on tv is constrained by the same rating system. So you cannot really say one show is being hurt more than others.

As for webisodes and website hits. Those are very hard to rate. Lots of websites use tricks to artificially raise their hit counts far beyond what they are really getting.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

My point is that every single show on tv is constrained by the same rating system. So you cannot really say one show is being hurt more than others.

As for webisodes and website hits. Those are very hard to rate. Lots of websites use tricks to artificially raise their hit counts far beyond what they are really getting.

Yes, you can say that it hurts some more then others. Quite simply because it's not the same population with the same habits.

Many Sci-Fi fans use different methods to consume a TV show. They rely on recordings, DVDs, downloads, whatever.

Of course, the problem is also that the traditional advertisement methods don't work either. Not because I claim that Sci-Fi fans are particularly "intelligent" and don't fall into the advertisement trap (that's something we all want to believe, and that's why I don't trust it ), but simply because people don't tend to watch recorded commercials. Either you don't record them in the first place, or you skip them manually.

I think that is something that is hurting all genre shows, and the stations haven't really found a way to address this (and I suspect we will see stuff like "forced" commercials by recording services or web services before we actually see a smart approach...)