Level Up (A5E) Strength vs Dexterity imbalance cannot be solved without addressing the Melee vs Ranged Imbalance.

[FrogReaver]

I ran a campaign starting at zero up to low teens where I used int for initiative & it went ok. We did 3d6 in order but reroll the whole array if you don't get 2 stats over 15. It didn't really help the evoker wizard much at all but was at least somewhat interesting in that the dexrogue didn't almost always go firstish. Since it's relevant int across the group was 15 on a druid, 13 scorlock , 11 rogue, 18 wiz, 15pally. In nearly any other game using normall stat generation noboody would have played the wizard & everyone would have an 8 int making it not very interesting. As you note, despite @FrogReaver's attempts to claim otherwise wizards just aren't that impressive in 5e compared to warlock & scorlock.

*Got it from one of coleville's videos... While it made for some interesting & unusual class choices forcing players outside their norms I'll probably not try it again in stock 5e as it made for some really powerful scorlocks in the group & the only characters who remained interesting to the end had a 3 in dex(fighter) or a 6 con(paladin).

When someone asks you repeatedly to leave them alone you are supposed to leave them alone. This is the fourth time now.

 

[Umbran]

please stop replying to me on this topic. This makes the third time I’ve asked.

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[Umbran]

Mod Note:

In the meantime, @tetrasodium please leave FrogReaver alone.

 

[FrogReaver]

This. Take away Sharpshooter and Archery fighting style and all of a sudden melee is right back on top as the dominant damage-dealing mode.

Though, outside a battlemaster with precision attack - sharpshooter is only okay, even with archery style.

 

[Guest 6801328]

Maybe bow range and damage die should both be a function of Strength?

So at Str 10 and below you have piddly range and 1d4 damage, and at Str 20 you get massive range and do d12 damage. Or whatever the values are. But still use Dex for attack/damage rolls.

Or, better yet, put the breakpoints on odd values of Strength.

 

[Zardnaar]

Nerf the -5/+10 feats all you have to do.

 

[Stalker0]

Nerf the -5/+10 feats all you have to do.

It could be argued that in 3.5, power attack was a way for melee wielders to deliver a good bit more damage than an archer.... so there is some merit there.

 

[Horwath]

Nerf the -5/+10 feats all you have to do.

replacing -5/+10 in GWM and SS with +1 str and dex is my favorite solution.

It gives melee fighters good chance for cleave and ranged peace of mind about cover and range.

 

[clearstream]

Nerf the -5/+10 feats all you have to do.

I think it is better to just make both power-attacks require Heavy weapons (only GWM does at present).

That is because it is worth preserving that the melee character at close range, foregoing a shield, correctly deals the most uncosted single-target damage. And Sharpshooter is surprisingly better-balanced if the power attack needs a heavy ranged weapon.

 

[Zardnaar]

I think it is better to just make both power-attacks require Heavy weapons (only GWM does at present).

That is because it is worth preserving that the melee character at close range, foregoing a shield, correctly deals the most uncosted single-target damage. And Sharpshooter is surprisingly better-balanced if the power attack needs a heavy ranged weapon.

They already do with 2d6 or 1d12 damage.