Stunning Attack and AM Field

[CrimsonTemplar]

Stunned is, just like any other condition, dependent on what causes it.
If you are paralyzed by poison (ex), you're still paralyzed in an AM, but if you're paralyzed by a spell, or supernatural ability, the paralysis is suppressed by the AM.

Your case works for a Hold Person spell, but I don't see it as reasonable for being stunned by a monk. Number 47 makes a valid point about the stunned effect being a condition resulting from the attack and not a supernatural effect in itself.

 

[JChung2003]

You remain stunned.

Replace the condition "stunned" with the condition "dead," and ask yourself if the argument for stunned creatures becoming unstunned still makes sense.

If we were talking about quivering palm, the person your monk just killed with her quivering palm (also a supernatural ability)would have come back to life in an antimagic field.

 

[Henrix]

What is this, are you disputing that someone paralyzed py an ordinary poison remains thus in an antimagic field, but not if he had been paralyzed by a Ghoul Touch spell?

That not all conditions have duration, but are instant, does not mean that all conditions stay regardless of AM.

Magical effects (those arising from spells, spell-like or supernatural abilities) are suppressed.
Stunning blow is a supernatural ability that stuns the target for one round.

 

[Felix]

And Flesh to Stone is a spell-like effect that does not go away if the target is then placed in an AM field.

Just because it's from a (Su) or (Sp) source doesn't necessitate being supressed in an AM field. It might be supressed, but pointing to the source is not a good argument for it.

Being stunned is a condition, and is not magical in itself.

A monk causes the target to be stunned.

The target is stunned, and the supernaturality that caused him to be so is now gone.

The supernatural ability puts the target into the stunned condition, it doesn't keep him there. So when an AM field comes along, the target is still stunned until one round later.

 

[Henrix]

And Flesh to Stone is a spell-like effect that does not go away if the target is then placed in an AM field.

The effect ends when the spell has been cast. The duration is instantaneous. When the AM comes, the spell effect is gone.

Just because it's from a (Su) or (Sp) source doesn't necessitate being supressed in an AM field. It might be supressed, but pointing to the source is not a good argument for it.

The source is exactly the way we determine wether it is magical or not. How would be do it otherwise?

Is somebody who is sleeping from natural causes awakened if somebody casts an AM Field on him? No.

Is somebody who is sleeping due to a sleep spell awakened if someone casts an AM Field on him? Yes, for the duration of the AM the spell effect is suppressed, as if the spell had ended.

The difference? The last condition arose out of a spell, while the first did not. It is magical.

Are supernatural abilities affected by AM? Yes.
Are supernatural effects suppressed by AM? Yes.

The fix would be to define stunning blow as an extraordinary ability.

 

[drnuncheon]

The effect ends when the spell has been cast. The duration is instantaneous. When the AM comes, the spell effect is gone.

Great! Now...how do you know that the monk's stunning blow does not work that way?

J

 

[Felix]

Henrix:
What drnuncheon said was the point I was trying to get accross. The target fails his Fort save and becomes stunned: I read this as Duration: Instantaneous.

When I said that the source is not the definitive answer, I mean those (Su) and (Sp) effects with Duration: Inst are not affected by AM field. Lasting durations are affected by AM field. That is the argument, not wether the ability is (Ex), (Su) or (Sp).

And I think the Monk's (Su) Stunning Attack has Duration: Inst.

Sleep has a duration of 1 minute / level. That's why I didn't mention it.

[Edit]:
The effect of Flesh to Stone is to turn the target to stone. The effect doens't go away in an AM field. It's the magic that goes away. That's why it isn't affected by an AM field.

 

[Number47]

Again, a magical effect can enact a non-magical status. You would argue that somebody on fire from a fireball is not on fire in an AMF? The real problem lies in the fact that the type of duration from supernatural effects, or even magic items, is not well defined. It would really help to know if the intent is that it is an instantaneous supernatural effect that places the victim into the stunned condition, which lasts for one round (and thus not magical), or if it a supernatural effect that continues to affect the subject for a duration of one round. I think it could go either way.

I think a similar clarification would be nice for spells that deafen. Does the character become un-deaf in an AMF? That would be a little odd (but something I could live with).