Supernatural Season 4 - Spoilers

Punnuendo · Oct 4, 2008

Well, stop Sam's trip down that path. I believe the quote was something like "Sam is headed down a dangerous path, and we don't know where it leads. So stop it, or we will."

Asmo · Oct 6, 2008

Wow,that was an amazing episode, I can´t believe that there isn´t more talk about this show!
Good to see Mitch Pileggi again, great performance as Azazel.
At the moment the best show, although Dexter is pretty good in its own, dark way.

Asmo

Blastin · Oct 7, 2008

yeah, for some reason When I talk about this show with other sci-fi geeks it seems to get a negative reaction. Not sure why as it's a great show.
I'm really loving the direction for this season thus far, altough I hope they don't over do the demon of the week bit. The show is at its best when it's alternating with the overall plot with the demons and then episodes about some weird monster out of mith.

D.Shaffer · Oct 7, 2008

Most of the people I know who like 'Genre' shows, tend to like Supernatural once they ACTUALLY WATCH IT. But for some reason, not many of them seem to actually make the effort to give it a chance. I'm not sure why.

Me? I like to think of it as a Hunter game in live action form. :lol:

frankthedm · Oct 7, 2008

D.Shaffer said:
Most of the people I know who like 'Genre' shows, tend to like Supernatural once they ACTUALLY WATCH IT. But for some reason, not many of them seem to actually make the effort to give it a chance. I'm not sure why.

As someone who avoided it for the first season until it was 3/4th over, I can tell you my reason, it looked like a chick show in guy's show clothing. The main characters looked similar to the models who sold clothing to the Crombie Zombies and the show aired on the same channel as Superman 90210.

But I finally caught an episode and saw that it is a damn awesome show that everyone can enjoy.

DonTadow · Oct 7, 2008

frankthedm said:
As someone who avoided it for the first season until it was 3/4th over, I can tell you my reason, it looked like a chick show in guy's show clothing. The main characters looked similar to the models who sold clothing to the Crombie Zombies and the show aired on the same channel as Superman 90210.

But I finally caught an episode and saw that it is a damn awesome show that everyone can enjoy.

I LOVE THE SUPERMAN 90210 COMMENT lol. Hillarious.

You're right, its a far more superior show than smallville. Smallville has its moments when everyone isn't screwing everyone but man it gets old fast.

Yay! Another show that does time travel right (watch this heroes). In one episodes they establish the rules, time can not be changed, only observed. You can bet that if this show goes on there will be at least one more trip back for some reason.

I can't help but think there is more to this. Ressurection, Time traveling: The angels are pulling out the big guns to deal with this thing. It has to be more than just Sam turning to the Dark side and it has to be more important than a hellgate openining. And there was no mention of the gates that lock away satan, something sam is trying to stop.

Now that the angel has turned us.. the audience.. on sam... what if sam is really good... well for the world. He plans on stopping the apolcolypse and this is obviously anti angel/god. Wow, this is getting deep, does that make angel/god the bad guy.

frankthedm · Oct 10, 2008

It will be on soon.

D.Shaffer · Oct 10, 2008

I like the parallel between Sam and...whatever that thing was called. Nice bit of character building there, and it's good to see their time apart has led to some growth. Still, I doubt it's REALLY the end of things for Sam's abilities. I wouldnt be half surprised if Dean misunderstood something. Wouldnt be completely his fault either as the warning was rather vague.

Merkuri · Oct 10, 2008

Yeah, I liked the quote, "It's not what you are, it's what you do." It really sums up Sam's feelings about his own powers. But at the same time, we saw that even though the whatsit in this episode used his powers for good (saving his wife) it still turned him into a monster. It seems to me like a really obvious metaphor for what's happening to Sam.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam keeps getting put into positions where he's forced to use his powers to keep him or Dean alive. No more sneaking out at night to exorcise demons, but more using the abilities in self defense, which Dean will probably have a hard time stopping (or justifying why he should stop it).

I have two theories about this:

[sblock]1) Ruby is part of Azazel's plan and she needs to teach Sam to use his powers so that he'll be ready to use them when the plan comes to fruition. Right now he's just "practicing" on demons, but later he'll be put into a position where he has to use his power against something else - like the angels - probably in self defense or in defense of Dean. When that something else happens he'll be so used to using his powers that it'll be instinct for him to lash out with them.

or

2) Everything is backwards. Ruby is truly a demon who's seeking redemption, so to speak, and is helping Sam because she wants fewer demons in the world and Castiel has a darker side. He wants to stop Sam because he really doesn't want Sam killing demons.

I think the first theory is more likely, but I'm so used to looking for twists that I wouldn't be surprised if the second is what happens.[/sblock]

DonTadow · Oct 10, 2008

Merkuri said:
Yeah, I liked the quote, "It's not what you are, it's what you do." It really sums up Sam's feelings about his own powers. But at the same time, we saw that even though the whatsit in this episode used his powers for good (saving his wife) it still turned him into a monster. It seems to me like a really obvious metaphor for what's happening to Sam.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam keeps getting put into positions where he's forced to use his powers to keep him or Dean alive. No more sneaking out at night to exorcise demons, but more using the abilities in self defense, which Dean will probably have a hard time stopping (or justifying why he should stop it).

I have two theories about this:

[sblock]1) Ruby is part of Azazel's plan and she needs to teach Sam to use his powers so that he'll be ready to use them when the plan comes to fruition. Right now he's just "practicing" on demons, but later he'll be put into a position where he has to use his power against something else - like the angels - probably in self defense or in defense of Dean. When that something else happens he'll be so used to using his powers that it'll be instinct for him to lash out with them.

or

2) Everything is backwards. Ruby is truly a demon who's seeking redemption, so to speak, and is helping Sam because she wants fewer demons in the world and Castiel has a darker side. He wants to stop Sam because he really doesn't want Sam killing demons.

I think the first theory is more likely, but I'm so used to looking for twists that I wouldn't be surprised if the second is what happens.[/sblock]

I go with your option number 2. I say say that the god Castiel serves is neutral, and does not want sam interefering because ...essentially that power he has is reserved for higher powers. I think all of the sides are as they are now, we just don't know what side the angels are on and our default tells us that it should be good, but we're wrong.