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fireinthedust
Explorer
Sonja knocks over several SBDs, scattering them like Ithorian nine-pins.
The remaining droids fire at Sonja. Several of them come close enough to require her to block. FIVE of the shots are powerful enough to require a Block attempt by Sonja.
Those droids knocked down spend their entire action getting back to their feet without incident.
Z3r0 sneaks away, disappearing to go around to (let's say) the right. Not having grabbed a gun, he makes with the walking. He'll be able to come from the right in a minute.
The Clones lay down fire, taking out one SBD. It crumbles before it can get all the way back up again.
At this point, the Droidekas spot the Jedi, seeing their chance take out this obviously superior foe. Shields up, they advance on Sonja, blasting away with intent to murder her horribly.
EDIT: only one shot hits. They seem to be using the Burst Fire rather than simply shooting, hoping for more damage and less accuracy. Still, Sonja must Deflect this one as well.
ooc: The NPCs act as a unit. All of them. You won't have the entire suite of Jedi abilities, but powerful NPCs can do more interesting things. Supportive, but interesting. Think basically Aide Another actions, or heal checks to stabilize, or that blocking thing I mentioned.
Also, your FP use should only count the highest die rolled, not add them together. What was it meant to help with, the Force Push?
I'll check in on the recruitment thread and see if they'll be ready to join us next round. (ie: after the SBDs go this time around)
Sonja: you're deflecting a bunch of hits this round (6 total).
Initiative:
Droidekas
Chase<<YOU'RE UP!
Sonja
Z3r0
Super Battle Droids
Clones/Jedi NPC
The remaining droids fire at Sonja. Several of them come close enough to require her to block. FIVE of the shots are powerful enough to require a Block attempt by Sonja.
Those droids knocked down spend their entire action getting back to their feet without incident.
Z3r0 sneaks away, disappearing to go around to (let's say) the right. Not having grabbed a gun, he makes with the walking. He'll be able to come from the right in a minute.
The Clones lay down fire, taking out one SBD. It crumbles before it can get all the way back up again.
At this point, the Droidekas spot the Jedi, seeing their chance take out this obviously superior foe. Shields up, they advance on Sonja, blasting away with intent to murder her horribly.
EDIT: only one shot hits. They seem to be using the Burst Fire rather than simply shooting, hoping for more damage and less accuracy. Still, Sonja must Deflect this one as well.
ooc: The NPCs act as a unit. All of them. You won't have the entire suite of Jedi abilities, but powerful NPCs can do more interesting things. Supportive, but interesting. Think basically Aide Another actions, or heal checks to stabilize, or that blocking thing I mentioned.
Also, your FP use should only count the highest die rolled, not add them together. What was it meant to help with, the Force Push?
I'll check in on the recruitment thread and see if they'll be ready to join us next round. (ie: after the SBDs go this time around)
Sonja: you're deflecting a bunch of hits this round (6 total).
Initiative:
Droidekas
Chase<<YOU'RE UP!
Sonja
Z3r0
Super Battle Droids
Clones/Jedi NPC
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perrinmiller
Adventurer
[sblock=OOC]Using a Force Point with Force Slam adds 2d6 damage according to the Core Rules. So those SBDs took 15 damage.
So Sonja had to leave cover to use the Force Slam? I stated she was trying to keep it if possible. That was not answered, but with +5 to Ref, means only one bolt to deflect and that's a huge difference; the 20 (DC24 to deflect), Deflect (1d20+15=28)
Otherwise, by ganging up on her, she is probably dead (and a thanks for playing
). It is realistically only possible to block the first three; DC22, 21, & 20. After that, she cannot block the DC24. She can try the DC19.
vs. DC22: Deflected (roll is above)
vs. DC21: Deflect (1d20+10=11) hit
vs. DC20: Deflect (1d20+5=10) hit
vs. DC19: Deflect (1d20=19) deflected
That 20 will do double damage and there is no chance to deflect the Droideka's hit at all. That will be 2 normal hits, one critical, & and a Droideka. Sonja will use a FP to survive at 0HP and unconscious.
BTW, Songdragon has been ready, just waiting on you to make a GM post IC that has her in the scene. Toasterferret is also waiting on you to confirm credits and put him in into the scene as well, otherwise his 5th level clone trooper can only afford a gun.[/sblock]
So Sonja had to leave cover to use the Force Slam? I stated she was trying to keep it if possible. That was not answered, but with +5 to Ref, means only one bolt to deflect and that's a huge difference; the 20 (DC24 to deflect), Deflect (1d20+15=28)
Otherwise, by ganging up on her, she is probably dead (and a thanks for playing
). It is realistically only possible to block the first three; DC22, 21, & 20. After that, she cannot block the DC24. She can try the DC19.vs. DC22: Deflected (roll is above)
vs. DC21: Deflect (1d20+10=11) hit
vs. DC20: Deflect (1d20+5=10) hit
vs. DC19: Deflect (1d20=19) deflected
That 20 will do double damage and there is no chance to deflect the Droideka's hit at all. That will be 2 normal hits, one critical, & and a Droideka. Sonja will use a FP to survive at 0HP and unconscious.
BTW, Songdragon has been ready, just waiting on you to make a GM post IC that has her in the scene. Toasterferret is also waiting on you to confirm credits and put him in into the scene as well, otherwise his 5th level clone trooper can only afford a gun.
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fireinthedust
Explorer
[sblock=ooc] She's also got access to the clone troopers she can sacrifice to take hits for her, or she can use the Jedi NPC this round to make deflect attempts (though if you choose that option, if he misses he's dead; as a minion he only has 1hp; on the bright side, it's not like he's *your* Jedi). Add to that your deflect attempts, and you could be okay.
Being behind the wall gives you full cover, coming out allows you to act; it's roughly the same as firing a blaster: you need to come around the corner to fire. These are high walls, not ones you can crouch over, and the Force isn't something easy like leaning around and picking off one droid. You can't just throw your hand around a corner and hope you Force Slam something. You feel the force, step out, and channel it.
Not to be too picky, but you could have waited for them to move forward; or you could have thrown a grenade; or *something* to draw them out rather than exposing yourself right away. I feel bad as this is the reward for taking initiative, but they don't have *anything* else to shoot at this round.
If you do go down (after using up as many clones as you can, deflecting shots, using up the Jedi, and Force Points), you can make up a clone and jump right in til the end of the scenario.
On the bright side, none of this would have happened if Chase hadn't really failed that stealth check. As a GM I'm glad I've got actions resulting in consequences, so you PCs feel empowered! You're the ones running the adventure, and if you do succeed it's because you as players succeeded. The alternative is me leading by the nose, and I feel bad about that (I do it too much, and my RL players think I'm a pushover GM).
FP for damage? Excellent. Noted.
Songdragon and Toasterferret can come on the scene at the end of this round, right before the Droidekas get their turn. Your group got a chance to load up on equipment (reasonable stuff) before the drop off in the beginning, so I'll give them the same thing. Nothing fancy (ie: no magical items equivalent), but enough for a serious mission like this one. [/sblock]
Being behind the wall gives you full cover, coming out allows you to act; it's roughly the same as firing a blaster: you need to come around the corner to fire. These are high walls, not ones you can crouch over, and the Force isn't something easy like leaning around and picking off one droid. You can't just throw your hand around a corner and hope you Force Slam something. You feel the force, step out, and channel it.
Not to be too picky, but you could have waited for them to move forward; or you could have thrown a grenade; or *something* to draw them out rather than exposing yourself right away. I feel bad as this is the reward for taking initiative, but they don't have *anything* else to shoot at this round.
If you do go down (after using up as many clones as you can, deflecting shots, using up the Jedi, and Force Points), you can make up a clone and jump right in til the end of the scenario.
On the bright side, none of this would have happened if Chase hadn't really failed that stealth check. As a GM I'm glad I've got actions resulting in consequences, so you PCs feel empowered! You're the ones running the adventure, and if you do succeed it's because you as players succeeded. The alternative is me leading by the nose, and I feel bad about that (I do it too much, and my RL players think I'm a pushover GM).
FP for damage? Excellent. Noted.
Songdragon and Toasterferret can come on the scene at the end of this round, right before the Droidekas get their turn. Your group got a chance to load up on equipment (reasonable stuff) before the drop off in the beginning, so I'll give them the same thing. Nothing fancy (ie: no magical items equivalent), but enough for a serious mission like this one. [/sblock]
perrinmiller
Adventurer
[sblock=OOC]
Taking advantage of the cover provided by a corner is a fundamental tactic in combat; shoot a blaster from around a corner, throw a grenade from a corner, and Force Slam from a corner. So yes, you can peek around a corner and hold your hand out and Force Slam according to RAW.
For some reason I had thought it was a half wall or something (it looks like Chase does as well), but that doesn't matter. Because if a grenade could have been used from cover, then it stands to reason the Force Slam could have as well. BTW, when I mentioned this tactic beforehand, you could have said that the only way to reach them was to stand out in plain view like a sitting duck. Even saying such right after I posted my actions would have caused me to change them when you switched Sonja and Chase in the Initiative order. With the crude map that we have, the layout of the battlefield is wide open for different interpretations so it is difficult to make tactical decisions without some help from the GM.
However, if you are still saying she is standing in the wide open like an idiot (which was not the intent at all, btw), then burn 3 Clone troopers on SDBs. The NPC Jedi can try to deflect the Driodeka's blast, since he no longer has his Force Powers, he is pretty worthless in comparison.
Now that you have the correct damage, did the SBDs survive 15 points of damage? I would like results on that and Chase's action before I post Sonja again.
Also how far away are the droids now? Are they still grouped together separately? Or did they all congregate together in one mass to get at the lightsaber wielding Jedi? And where are the Droidekas in relation to the SBDs and Sonja?[/sblock]
Not sure what rule book you are reading, since all a Jedi needs is line of sight. Accordingly, when you use a grid with squares, you trace a line from any corner of a person's square (their choice) and if it intersects the target's square without going through total cover, then no problem. Since we aren't using a grid, then if a person peeks their head and arm around a corner, then they have cover. If they can see the target, they can shoot and/or use the Force.
Taking advantage of the cover provided by a corner is a fundamental tactic in combat; shoot a blaster from around a corner, throw a grenade from a corner, and Force Slam from a corner. So yes, you can peek around a corner and hold your hand out and Force Slam according to RAW.
For some reason I had thought it was a half wall or something (it looks like Chase does as well), but that doesn't matter. Because if a grenade could have been used from cover, then it stands to reason the Force Slam could have as well. BTW, when I mentioned this tactic beforehand, you could have said that the only way to reach them was to stand out in plain view like a sitting duck. Even saying such right after I posted my actions would have caused me to change them when you switched Sonja and Chase in the Initiative order. With the crude map that we have, the layout of the battlefield is wide open for different interpretations so it is difficult to make tactical decisions without some help from the GM.
However, if you are still saying she is standing in the wide open like an idiot (which was not the intent at all, btw), then burn 3 Clone troopers on SDBs. The NPC Jedi can try to deflect the Driodeka's blast, since he no longer has his Force Powers, he is pretty worthless in comparison.
Now that you have the correct damage, did the SBDs survive 15 points of damage? I would like results on that and Chase's action before I post Sonja again.
Also how far away are the droids now? Are they still grouped together separately? Or did they all congregate together in one mass to get at the lightsaber wielding Jedi? And where are the Droidekas in relation to the SBDs and Sonja?[/sblock]
fireinthedust
Explorer
The Droids hit by Sonja are still up; their armor plating is thick, so that (though slightly shaken) they are still in the battle. Currently they have not moved forward, but it is clearly their option to surge forward and attack momentarily, if they so choose.
Chase: Sorry Chase, the Droideka's reflex is 16 (so you're 1 off). Do you want to spend a Force Point to boost you to a hit? Keep in mind they have shields up, so get SR.
ALSO: The wall is a big wall, like a building wall. You'll have to move back to the edge of the wall to fire off a shot.
[sblock=ooc] So you're arguing that you get line of sight for your Force power, but without moving out of your square that round, you're arguing that that same line of sight doesn't apply back to you for their move? If you get it on them, they get it on you. Remember, you didn't move *after* the Force use, so you're in the same position.
Also: I'm already using the lowest available attack bonus on the Droidekas. And I didn't have them charge in, shoot at you and all the clones, and kill the party in one go.
Also: I figured you knew what you were doing, you should be complimented. I've played this game, like, once and it was pbp. You're the Jedi!
Also: the Jedi NPC is a minion now, and we're trying out new minion rules (so he can aide/assist your Force use). Don't blame me, I'm not the player who abandoned you to the merciless Separatist Droid Army. Flame that guy. If I was playing, I'd totally be a Jedi, and I'd still be here... and I'd likely have charged in and gotten shot to death in the first round, actually.
Songdragon didn't opt to be a Jedi; if she hurries and makes a Jedi before her move, she can be more useful for you. (shrug)
Also Also Also Also Also: Are you burning the three clones before or after attempting to block the shots with the Jedi? The bonus on Minion rolls is equal to the number of Minions in a group; so if you burn them first, the total Minion Bonus goes down by 3, to +5 to block (which is less)
Either way, please roll for the block attempts. And good luck: May the Force be with you![/sblock]
Chase: Sorry Chase, the Droideka's reflex is 16 (so you're 1 off). Do you want to spend a Force Point to boost you to a hit? Keep in mind they have shields up, so get SR.
ALSO: The wall is a big wall, like a building wall. You'll have to move back to the edge of the wall to fire off a shot.
[sblock=ooc] So you're arguing that you get line of sight for your Force power, but without moving out of your square that round, you're arguing that that same line of sight doesn't apply back to you for their move? If you get it on them, they get it on you. Remember, you didn't move *after* the Force use, so you're in the same position.
Also: I'm already using the lowest available attack bonus on the Droidekas. And I didn't have them charge in, shoot at you and all the clones, and kill the party in one go.
Also: I figured you knew what you were doing, you should be complimented. I've played this game, like, once and it was pbp. You're the Jedi!
Also: the Jedi NPC is a minion now, and we're trying out new minion rules (so he can aide/assist your Force use). Don't blame me, I'm not the player who abandoned you to the merciless Separatist Droid Army. Flame that guy. If I was playing, I'd totally be a Jedi, and I'd still be here... and I'd likely have charged in and gotten shot to death in the first round, actually.
Songdragon didn't opt to be a Jedi; if she hurries and makes a Jedi before her move, she can be more useful for you. (shrug)
Also Also Also Also Also: Are you burning the three clones before or after attempting to block the shots with the Jedi? The bonus on Minion rolls is equal to the number of Minions in a group; so if you burn them first, the total Minion Bonus goes down by 3, to +5 to block (which is less)
Either way, please roll for the block attempts. And good luck: May the Force be with you![/sblock]
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perrinmiller
Adventurer
[sblock=ooc]
LOS is just that, being able to see something. Near as I can tell Force Slamming something follows the same rules as a ranged attack. But from the map, I don't think the SBDs have any cover available. So yes, if she only needs to look around the corner of the wall to see the group of droids, then she doesn't need to break cover to use the power. This is pretty clear in the rules.
On the other side of the coin, the SBDs can also see Sonja. No argument there, but that doesn't mean she doesn't get the +5 Ref bonus from cover. That's the whole point I have been trying to get clarified. I am getting the sense you are confusing cover from the corner and total cover (and concealment) from being behind the wall itself.
I realize that you run a rules light game, but I am a tactical player. Without a clear tactical grid, it is harder to definitely submit clear actions and many things in SWSE are written specifically to be resolved on one. If something cannot be done based on your visualization of the situation, we are trusting you to let use know since our characters would have a clear idea what they are seeing while we the players are dealing with only a general description.
As for minion usage, no idea what you are talking about really since it is a new thing for me.
While I am happy to provide direction on their usage, I don't get what you are meaning on bonuses to the die rolls. If it's all the same to you, go ahead and roll the dice for them yourself. I suppose the Jedi can do his block first then, and then use clones to absorb the other three if that's the most advantageous.[/sblock]
Honestly, Fitd I think I am just explaining rules at this point. While the interpretation of Sonja's actions can be see a few different ways, can we at least assume she would not be stupid and leave perfectly good cover if she didn't need to.
LOS is just that, being able to see something. Near as I can tell Force Slamming something follows the same rules as a ranged attack. But from the map, I don't think the SBDs have any cover available. So yes, if she only needs to look around the corner of the wall to see the group of droids, then she doesn't need to break cover to use the power. This is pretty clear in the rules.
On the other side of the coin, the SBDs can also see Sonja. No argument there, but that doesn't mean she doesn't get the +5 Ref bonus from cover. That's the whole point I have been trying to get clarified. I am getting the sense you are confusing cover from the corner and total cover (and concealment) from being behind the wall itself.
I realize that you run a rules light game, but I am a tactical player. Without a clear tactical grid, it is harder to definitely submit clear actions and many things in SWSE are written specifically to be resolved on one. If something cannot be done based on your visualization of the situation, we are trusting you to let use know since our characters would have a clear idea what they are seeing while we the players are dealing with only a general description.
As for minion usage, no idea what you are talking about really since it is a new thing for me.
While I am happy to provide direction on their usage, I don't get what you are meaning on bonuses to the die rolls. If it's all the same to you, go ahead and roll the dice for them yourself. I suppose the Jedi can do his block first then, and then use clones to absorb the other three if that's the most advantageous.[/sblock]
fireinthedust
Explorer
[sblock=ooc] I don't understand the rational behind line of sight on the one hand, and gaining cover on the other. It's a vertical wall, you're in a position that they can see you, and you've got a glowing laser-sword that you're swinging around blocking with. If they have line of sight, they have it, we're agreed. Is the wall acting as cover? It's a vertical wall and you're a bipedal character. In the various books I've got, cover is for things like waist-high walls. The stormtroopers in the book examples, for example, don't have cover against the characters because of line of sight, and they don't have a waist-high wall to hide behind. If you got cover from the SBDs, you'd either have total cover (behind the wall) or no cover (due to line of sight).
There isn't a halfway point, if we're allowing LOS around corners based on the corners of the grid squares on a map.
I'll include cover in the next encounter. Admittedly, this would be a better encounter if you guys were behind a crumbling half-wall. It doesn't make realistic sense for the Droids to allow that, however, as it's the front door to the droid base (ie: if bad guys were to show up, they'd have a perfect place to pick off the guards from). [/sblock]
The Jedi leaps out to try and block Sonja from being slain, but the first shot is too much. It strikes him, and he falls to the ground.
I'm... sorry... Sonja... And with that, a wave through the Force reaches those sensitive to it, as a Jedi is slain.
Immediately afterward, three clone troopers leap around the corner to lay down cover fire for their Jedi commanding officer, but are shot down. Sonja has enough chance to get out of the way unscathed, but the death toll is severe.
ooc: the Jedi NPC is down. Three clone troopers are down. The total bonus to any minion-related rolls is now lowered by 4 (one for each of them).
if Z3r0 wants to grab a clone gun, I'll allow that one flew through the air to land nearby. I'm shocked the original player didn't include *something* in a weapon.
Initiative:
Droidekas
Chase
Sonja <<You're up!
Z3r0
New Characters enter
Super Battle Droids
Clones
There isn't a halfway point, if we're allowing LOS around corners based on the corners of the grid squares on a map.
I'll include cover in the next encounter. Admittedly, this would be a better encounter if you guys were behind a crumbling half-wall. It doesn't make realistic sense for the Droids to allow that, however, as it's the front door to the droid base (ie: if bad guys were to show up, they'd have a perfect place to pick off the guards from). [/sblock]
The Jedi leaps out to try and block Sonja from being slain, but the first shot is too much. It strikes him, and he falls to the ground.
I'm... sorry... Sonja... And with that, a wave through the Force reaches those sensitive to it, as a Jedi is slain.
Immediately afterward, three clone troopers leap around the corner to lay down cover fire for their Jedi commanding officer, but are shot down. Sonja has enough chance to get out of the way unscathed, but the death toll is severe.
ooc: the Jedi NPC is down. Three clone troopers are down. The total bonus to any minion-related rolls is now lowered by 4 (one for each of them).
if Z3r0 wants to grab a clone gun, I'll allow that one flew through the air to land nearby. I'm shocked the original player didn't include *something* in a weapon.
Initiative:
Droidekas
Chase
Sonja <<You're up!
Z3r0
New Characters enter
Super Battle Droids
Clones
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