Terminator: Sarah Conner Chronicles Episode #1

[mmu1]

I thought something similiar, that the t3 timeline isn't neccesarily ignored it just completely didn't happen because of the time warp (resist rocky horror pun).

That'd only work if they traveled forward prior to the date (sometime in 1997) when Sarah was supposed to die of cancer in the T3 timeline.

Of course, it's not impossible for them to reconcile the series timeline with the T3 one - they'd just need to travel back in time far enough for Sarah to die of cancer in 1997, have their memories erased so they would still think the 1997 Judgement Day deadline mattered and wouldn't realize Skynet was definitely making a comback, and never wonder why John suddenly needs to shave at 13.

 

[sydbar]

From what i read, this has taken over the time slot 24 was going to be in. I've found it to be entertaining, so far.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Just to be a nag, T1 wasn't about changing the future. The whole point of it was that he had to come back and such for the future to happen. It was a nice, clean little time loop.

T2 ripped that apart with Paradox. Who changes the future if there's no longer a future to change? It was a totally different paradigm, but it was your "the future CAN be changed".

T3 comes along and says the future is some stream that polishes out paradox over time, preserving the time stream.


T1 left me with the impression that it was a one time, last ditch effort to send them back in time. T2 & T3 opened the fact that more can go back in time and such, leaving the "why not go back BEFORE T1" when they're unaware...

Ahh, the fun of time travel.

T1: Skynet sends back a Terminator to kill Sarah Connor. At this point the future John Connor is aware that Reese is his father and a Terminator sent back kills Reese. As you said, future John sends Reese back to complete history. What we do not know at that point is what Skynet knows. If John is aware of history, then by implication Skynet should also be aware that it sent back a T-100 that failed in its mission, but its destruction provided material that allowed Dyson to create Skynet, therefore it did not send back the T-100 to kill Sarah Connor, but instead to fail and provide the technology needed to be created and preserve history.

T2 & T3: As you said, these movies opens up a whole new mess as they apparently actually change the future, rather than just preserving it. If that is the case, then the future rebels after T2 should be the ones to send someone back in time to before 1984 to kill Sarah Connor. If they succeed in doing so, then there will be no need for Skynet to send a Terminator back in time to 1984 thereby providing material for Dyson to create Skynet.

 

[Rykion]

The second episode was a big let down. Evidently 4 people disappearing in an apparent bank robbery warrants no investigation. The time machine tech should have been there to find, and somehow the headless body of a super robot is just chucked into a dump. The story also broke the rules of terminator universe time travel by having a terminator head travel through time without its organic component.:\ I'm definitely not expecting much from this show.

 

[Belen]

The second episode was a big let down. Evidently 4 people disappearing in an apparent bank robbery warrants no investigation. The time machine tech should have been there to find, and somehow the headless body of a super robot is just chucked into a dump. The story also broke the rules of terminator universe time travel by having a terminator head travel through time without its organic component.:\ I'm definitely not expecting much from this show.

The head thing was confusing. It could have been thrown there during the explosion. The explosion seems to have vaped everything in the area. When they appeared on the street, it was in the same location that they left. The bank was gone. It was a street.

 

[Belen]

I think that people are missing something important. In the TV show, the events of T2 happened in 1997. The movie was 1994. They had already played with the dates.

 

[trancejeremy]

I thought something similiar, that the t3 timeline isn't neccesarily ignored it just completely didn't happen because of the time warp (resist rocky horror pun).

In my quest to enjoy the show, i imagine that there are tons of timelines that didn't happen and this may just be one of many. Though considering this theory and the fact that they are making a t4 does that make the series meaningless because still , just like at the end of 3, the war happens.

As for this episode i liked it less than last nights though its still in muh category. I found John's actions kinda silly, particularly him going out by himself and instead of going to a library goes to a computer store and uses the internet. Internet use for newspapers and research was not as public back in 1997 and seemed a bit forward thinking.

I dunno, a lot of people were on the internet back in '97, and remember, at least based on him in T2 (not so much T3), he's something of a hacker.

Budget wise i know why, but it makes no sense why they aren't sending more shapechanging terminators back. And if the terminator's send a guard for john connors, why don't the other terminators send a guard for the scientist of skynet.

True, but at a certain point, just how many people are going to be from the future? It's going to be like that episode of South Park.

Still, IIRC, in the original movie, Skynet only had a short time to dispatch the terminators after it lost.

BTW, I hated that bratak had to die. I thought it would have been cooler if he was not a snitch on them. This was bad writing. What the heck was his plan. I am going to send you to my nephew to do some super illegal stuff and then I am going to call the cops and tell of this plan. This way my nephew and you will go to jail and I will probably be killed by his gang friends. When instead all he had o do was call his informant and set sarah up. Far simpler and without all the hood references.

Well, he probably would get a kickback for sending them to his nephew (I think the fake documents cost what, 20k? So he would probably get a couple grand from him). And I doubt the police would even think to ask where they got the fake dcouments, much less track them down.

 

[trancejeremy]

The second episode was a big let down. Evidently 4 people disappearing in an apparent bank robbery warrants no investigation. The time machine tech should have been there to find, and somehow the headless body of a super robot is just chucked into a dump. The story also broke the rules of terminator universe time travel by having a terminator head travel through time without its organic component.:\ I'm definitely not expecting much from this show.

Bank robberies are actually incredibly common. And only about half of them are every solved.

I think people get the wrong idea from all the crime shows on TV.

And generally weird stuff simply just does get ignored. Like UFOs. Rather than investigate, the media/government just make jokes.

The head does seem to be a mistake, though, unless there was an explosion (and the bank blew up) and the head just rolled off someplace, then sat lying there for 7 years.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Evidently 4 people disappearing in an apparent bank robbery warrants no investigation. The time machine tech should have been there to find, and somehow the headless body of a super robot is just chucked into a dump.

I'm pretty sure that what we didn't see was a military team and Cigarette Smoking Man show up to remove all evidence from the scene (it ended up in a dump after the secure government facility where they kept it was closed due to budget cuts). Yes, that's right. This show is really a lead-in to the new upcoming X-Files movie when Agent Scully is impregnated with a Terminator/human hybrid.

 

[TanisFrey]

It was alright, something I thought that was interesting was the sending back in time of "engineers". But my fear, this could turn into a temporal war and that never works out.

The last time a TV program had a temporal war, Star C#$%:Enterprise; the different side, unknown number of them, were never made clear to the viewers. And it was completely ignored for large number of episode.
This program the only 2 sides have clear cut positions and goals. And it promises be an undercurrent in every episode.

This gives it a good reason for this to work out unlike the crap Berman put out.