D&D 5E The classes that nobody wants to play

[Tony Vargas]

So you are saying that

1: Fighters aren't tier 5 in 5e
AND
2: There is no tier 5 in 5e

1 follows pretty conclusively from 2. I suppose I could be overstating it, and BA only cuts off Tier 6?

(and BA = background?)

BA = Bounded Accuracy. Backgrounds are irrelevant when comparing classes.

 

[Hussar]

Wow, someone has a SERIOUS hate on for monks. There has to be some sort of shenanigans going on there though. How do you get 500+ votes for something when you only have 200(ish) voters.

As far as fighters go, my biggest beef is that every niche that a fighter has, some other class does it better. Yes, a fighter makes a better protector than a ranger, but a paladin puts the fighter to shame. So on and so forth.

I really, really think that fighters should get their 2nd attack at 3rd level, 3rd attack at 8th, 4th attack at 12 and 5th attack at 15th. THAT would make fighters king again.

 

[Jester David]

Wow, someone has a SERIOUS hate on for monks. There has to be some sort of shenanigans going on there though. How do you get 500+ votes for something when you only have 200(ish) voters.

I think a lot of it is flavour. They're the odd class out in terms of lore and tone.

That and on paper they seem kinda weak. Limited ki points, d4 (and then d6) damage, no "sneak attack" or "hunter's quarry" to boost damage. Some MAD going on.

But mostly probably the flavour.

 

[Hussar]

Still doesn't quite explain how you get twice as many votes as voters though. Weird.

I would like to say though, despite my issues with fighters, they remain a very popular class.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if you split off single class fighters from multi-classes though, you'd see a lot less actual fighters in play. I know that's certainly true in our group. Multiple fighters in multiple campaigns, not one single single classed fighter. Every single one of them split off into other classes.

 

[Aldarc]

We probably should do another thread here, but "tier 5", does this even apply in 5e?

I think tiers still apply in 5E D&D. Sure the disparity between tiers has been addressed somewhat through various means, but some still exist, such as between spells prepared vs. spells known or the whole "just does one thing well".

 

[Sword of Spirit]

There is also an optional rule for morale in the DMG, BTW.

I'm still not sure that rule was supposed to make it a Wisdom save, given the Charisma reference later on. I mean, Charisma (in its role as self-confidence) seems like a heck of a lot better fit for morale than Wisdom (presumably the wise man flees rather than fights a losing battle). I'd definitely use Charisma if I rolled morale, just like for Horror saves.

 

[Hussar]

I've been using those Morale Rules. LOVE LOVE LOVE them. It means that the party is actually better off not focusing fire. Spread the loving around and break the enemy. Makes for much more interesting combat choices.

 

[CydKnight]

I can only speak for my groups as both a DM and player playing 2 to 3 days a week depending on the availability of local AL games. I have seen absolutely no one in the last year play a Druid nor have I heard anyone even discuss playing a Druid. Every other class in the game I have seen played multiple times. I am actually considering creating and playing a Druid just so I can find out why it's so unpopular.

 

[Azzy]

I'm still not sure that rule was supposed to make it a Wisdom save, given the Charisma reference later on. I mean, Charisma (in its role as self-confidence) seems like a heck of a lot better fit for morale than Wisdom (presumably the wise man flees rather than fights a losing battle). I'd definitely use Charisma if I rolled morale, just like for Horror saves.

Wis used to include willpower in older editions, but that doesn't seem to be the case in 5e. So, given that change, yeah, it does seem odd—maybe it's just a holdover. Cha would make the most sense given the way the abilities are described in 5e.

 

[Azzy]

I can only speak for my groups as both a DM and player playing 2 to 3 days a week depending on the availability of local AL games. I have seen absolutely no one in the last year play a Druid nor have I heard anyone even discuss playing a Druid. Every other class in the game I have seen played multiple times. I am actually considering creating and playing a Druid just so I can find out why it's so unpopular.

My next character is going to be a land druid. So, I guess I'll be joining you in finding out, too.