The Future of Star Trek (revealed)...

[Darrin Drader]

The only good Trek movies are usually Nicholas Meyer's. Even his two Trek TOS films (II and VI) trump the only one Trek TNG film I like. If Berman has at least a kilo of functioning gray matter between his ears, he'll bring Nick Meyer.

Hear! Hear!

Nemesis was horrid. They literally managed to recycle the best parts of the Nicholas Meyers scripts, but somehow managed to make them incredibly lame. I watched that movie with the terrible sense of having seen all this before, only better. I remember after Nemesis flopped I saw an interview with Berman where he was practically scratching his head trying to figure out why it failed. He thought it had a good script. He thought it had good character development. He actually made a case for how this followed in the tradition of all the other even numbered Trek movies. Did he even bother to read the script or watch the movie? It was awful!

Actually all the Next Gen movies were a major disappointment to me. I wanted to see movies with an ensemble cast that were driven by different characters, much like the show was. Instead what we got were 4 movies with The Star of TNG, Patric Stewart. Don't get me wrong, I like him fine as the captain, but there just weren't enough moments revolving around the other cast members. I suppose behind Picard, there was Data, who certainly got more than his share of camera time too, but the rest of the cast was seriously lacking throughout all four of them. It would have been far better if they would have shifted the focus from one or two characters in one movie to a different pair in the next movie. At least the original cast had the big 3. These had the big 2, which was incredibly unfair to the rest of the cast.

They should have been setting up Riker to take the reigns when Stewart finally caled it quits. While they did give him his own ship in the end, there is no indication that we'll ever see him or any of the other characters again. They should have gotten Worf off that klingon outpost that they unceremoniously dumped him on at the end of DS9 and put him back on the Enterprise where he belongs rather than making up lame excuses for why he was on the ship in time for each major feature film. They didn't even make an effort to explain his presence in Insurrection. The cast of TNG the show was a family, but the movies didn't give them this treatment, and that is why their movies were cut short at 4. They should have outlasted the original cast.

Bah! Berman and Braga have created the text book example of how to take a perfectly fun and wonderful franchise and utterly destroy it. They should have bowed out of Trek and given it to someone else as soon as they ruined Voyager.

 

[Ashwyn]

Thought it was discussed in a book or such that the Klingons poisioned the home planet of the Tribbles to dust then made it into a prision.

Interesting.

 

[mojo1701]

Actually, he is spot on. Trek is almost always about the characters. Every original cast Trek film was basically a character piece or about the big 3 (Kirk, Spock & Bones). Even the new films (I haven't seen Nemesis) are about the characters, usually focusing on the captain.

I did. I didn't mind Nemesis, actually. The plot was weird, and the Scimitar itself and Shinzon himself needed a lot of suspension of disbelief, since

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The Scimitar was nearly indestrutable ("52 disruptor banks, 27 Photon Torpedo banks, primary and secondary shields," is what Worf said) even after the Enterprise and two other Romulan Warbirds slammed the hell outta it, and only had 70% of its shields drained), as well as a "perfect" cloak, and this whole "Clone" story... not a lot of background on it...

. But the

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sacrifice

ending was well done.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Interesting.

For the life of me I don't know where, when or even if this is correct but for some reason it is in the back of my mind.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I now have the horrible image of Paramount using Ricky Martin for a young Kahn Noonian Singh.

"Burried aliiiiiiive. Burried aliiiiiive."

*shivering*....not--fun-ny..m-an..

 

[Ashwyn]

I did. I didn't mind Nemesis, actually. The plot was weird, and the Scimitar itself and Shinzon himself needed a lot of suspension of disbelief, since

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The Scimitar was nearly indestrutable ("52 disruptor banks, 27 Photon Torpedo banks, primary and secondary shields," is what Worf said) even after the Enterprise and two other Romulan Warbirds slammed the hell outta it, and only had 70% of its shields drained), as well as a "perfect" cloak, and this whole "Clone" story... not a lot of background on it...

. But the

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sacrifice

ending was well done.

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I cried when Data sacrificed himself. Then I cried when I saw they were replacing him with his brother, or at least setting it up that way. But then again, they had to come up with a way to explain why "Data" was in the future in the last episode.

All in all, I liked the movie.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

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I cried when Data sacrificed himself. Then I cried when I saw they were replacing him with his brother, or at least setting it up that way. But then again, they had to come up with a way to explain why "Data" was in the future in the last episode.

All in all, I liked the movie.

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They don`t have to explain this. It was an alternate future - the Enterprise D did also exist in the last episode, although heavily modified.
Actually, I think the whole "datas brother" story wasn`t a really good idea. I heard Spiner wanted to end the role, especially since his growing age will, at some time, not fit to Data`s character. But now, since they use him in a double rule, the whole thing was useless in this regard.
And I loved the idea that data would still be around in 100, 200 or 500 years, if he isn`t destroyed. This would have given great story-telling oppertunity - imagine a series, a movie or even only an episode with the theme "Data´s memory." Well, one oppertunity gone

 

[Ashwyn]

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They don`t have to explain this. It was an alternate future - the Enterprise D did also exist in the last episode, although heavily modified.

I missed that.

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Actually, I think the whole "datas brother" story wasn`t a really good idea. I heard Spiner wanted to end the role, especially since his growing age will, at some time, not fit to Data`s character. But now, since they use him in a double rule, the whole thing was useless in this regard.

I am confounded why they chose to do it then, since they aren't going to make any more Next Gen movies.

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I guess they did it to ease the pain of Data dying, that's the only thing I can think of that makes any sense at all.

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And I loved the idea that data would still be around in 100, 200 or 500 years, if he isn`t destroyed. This would have given great story-telling oppertunity - imagine a series, a movie or even only an episode with the theme "Data´s memory." Well, one oppertunity gone

I'd have loved to see something like that.

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A thought I had is that, and I hope it isn't true, they did it to not anger the fans. Aside from cloning, which was done so many times in Star Trek, Data is the only one who is able to die yet still "live", via his brother. They wanted to kill someone off for the last movie, but didn't want to make anyone mad. Make any sense?

 

[Orius]

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I heard Spiner wanted to end the role, especially since his growing age will, at some time, not fit to Data`s character.

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Yeah, I've heard that too. That's why Data's heroic sacrifice at the end of the movie didn't bother me. Spiner I believe was one of the writers for this one, and if he wants his character to go out in a heroic sacrifice, then that's fine by me. I think it's also in appropriate for the character, given Data's constant quest to explore humanity.

 

[Kilmore]

Bill Shatner could be made as good as new if you get some epoxy, wood stain, and furniture polish.