I’m constantly shocked by how controversial the idea is that other people get to make decisions for themselves. It’s just weird to me that it’s controversial. “But someone somewhere is doing something I don’t like!” Yeah. And? Welcome to the world.
When the convo devolves into 2 or a few posters using debate phrases and house of cards rhetoric (you said this so it means that, which supports my position...) its time to leave the thread.