The "I Didn't Comment in Another Thread" Thread

[Deset Gled]

I'm of the mind that if Rey is a Mary Sue, then Luke is a Marty Stu.

I don't think it's worth keeping the gender distinction. They can both be Mary Sue. Girls can be waiters. Boys can be Karens. It's much simpler this way.

 

[billd91]

I'm of the mind that if Rey is a Mary Sue, then Luke is a Marty Stu.

And neither Rey nor Luke come close to Anakin.
the conversation between Vader and Luke that never happened-just for your entertainment

 

[Ryujin]

I don't think it's worth keeping the gender distinction. They can both be Mary Sue. Girls can be waiters. Boys can be Karens. It's much simpler this way.

I used the term Marty Stu because I think that, in this case, the distinction is necessary. Those who refer to Rey as a Mary Sue may well be doing so simply because she is a she. I've used the term to describe Burnham in "Discovery", but will freely admit now that I was wrong. She's just a badly written character, in a show I don't particularly like.

And neither Rey nor Luke come close to Anakin.
the conversation between Vader and Luke that never happened-just for your entertainment

Ah, yes. The Virgin Birth who is universally loved, until everything explodes.

"You were the Chosen One!"

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I wonder if Reddit going insane is going to drive a bunch of D&D redditers this way.

 

[Gradine]

To borrow a phrase from slightly upthread, I wouldn't be too sad if the term "Mary Sue" and its derivatives were to snort pretentiously and disappear in a puff of acrid green smoke.

 

[Gradine]

A reminder that the term comes from fanfiction to describe a self-insert who is the better than and beloved to the original canon characters; it does not apply to any character in any major work of non-fan fiction and especially not any character that has a character arc or experiences failures and grows as a result, which every character mentioned above certainly qualifies under

 

[AnotherGuy]

I used the term Marty Stu because I think that, in this case, the distinction is necessary. Those who refer to Rey as a Mary Sue may well be doing so simply because she is a she. I've used the term to describe Burnham in "Discovery", but will freely admit now that I was wrong. She's just a badly written character, in a show I don't particularly like.

Here's the thing she can be a Mary Sue and a badly written character.
Mary Sue's are usually badly written characters.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I wonder if Reddit going insane is going to drive a bunch of D&D redditers this way.

What's happening in reddit?

Sorry, nevermind I found the thread.

 

[overgeeked]

A reminder that the term comes from fanfiction to describe a self-insert who is the better than and beloved to the original canon characters; it does not apply to any character in any major work of non-fan fiction and especially not any character that has a character arc or experiences failures and grows as a result, which every character mentioned above certainly qualifies under

Yes, the term Mary Sue originated in fanfiction, that doesn’t mean it’s limited to only ever applying to fanfiction characters. The author self-insert character who’s hyper-competent in corporate media is just as much a Mary Sue as any fanfiction character with the same traits. The definitional aspect is the traits themselves, not whether they appear in fanfiction.

If you want to get clinical about it, you could easily make a strong argument that George’s Star Wars is Flash Gordon fanfiction and the Disney stuff is fanfiction of George’s Star Wars.

 

[trappedslider]

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