The Lamentation of Lolth - OoC VI

I looked at your character Kinrinke and she has 15 of wisdom. That's way above the norm. Someone with 15 of wisdom is really aware of her surronding and herself.

They can feel that certain thing shouldn't be said or shouldn't be done. Wisdom increase with age, so the average 80 years old has around 13 or 14 of wisdom according to the rules. It means your character is extremely mature for her age.

Her Charisma of 10 like Hippochracrus said is really average. It means that when she walks into the local tavern the people don't particularly notice her. She can pretty but doesn't have that thing that makes you go wow. Wow can be negative or positive. A high charisma friendly bard will make you feel good, when he enters a place everybody notices him, when he plays you almost fly. when he talks to you he has that little something that makes you beleive him even if you know that he his lying to you. The high charisma unfriendly sorcerer on the other hand scares you when he enters the place. You look at him and you wonder what is going through his mind. His probably handsome and has that mysterious look that makes all the women falls at his feet. He doesn't have to say a word to intimidate you.

The low charisma Orc enters the place. most people don't even notice his just a regular big guy. When he gets mad people don't know if they should laugh or be scarred (usually until it's too late :) ).

The low wisdom high charisma girl would be the stereotypical blond. She keeps on saying stupid thing here and there but she has that you don't know what that makes you forget how dumb the idea was. She was so inspiring and true that you trust her.

The high wisdom, low charisma girl on the other hand, usually comes up with good idea, very well taught, her idea makes sense, but she doesn't talk unless ask, she almost doesn't exist in a room. She could be telling the group for days that going head to head with the dragon is not a good idea but no one really noticed her.

High wisdom also usually means strong convictions and a good knowledge of yourself. It is very difficult to manipulate you and to make you thing you don't want.

Sorry to hijack the thread, I could go on and on with example, I think you got the idea. Reading your description I would say that she is pretty and probably not flashy(medium charisma). People usually don't notice quickly how pretty she can be. Her sense of humor could be a fun at time but eventually gets on people nerves(medium charisma). She usually can feel that she is getting annoying (high wisdom) and shuts up before people get really pissed. When she talks seriously she has very good arguments (high wis)but is a bit too blunt and doesn't use the proper social tactics to make her points counts(medium charisma). But she usually wouldn't doubt herself after a failure knowing herself enough to know that she did everything she could. She wouldn't be fooled by the rogue who told her that she was beautiful and extremely interesting person in order to learn secret about the party. She would see through his little game.

Please simply take this as an example. This is how I would play a high wisdom, medium-low charisma character. This should be move to General discussion ;)
 

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Hmm, I think that's generally how I've been playing her (the average charisma/med-high wis example), though with a bit of a personal twists here and there. And while she might be old for a human, as an elf, she's oh around 17ish (give or take a year or so) as far as maturity goes.

So while she may be wise for her age, she still makes mistakes due to relative inexperience. And I think that's what Teleri's sword means by 'toughen up'. She has to get the experience to back the untempered wisdom and she has to learn how to lead others and all that entails. :)

So for a TV example, a low/average charisma/high wisdom would be say Willow (from buffy) 1st-2nd season.
 

Looks like your game is heavy on roleplaying, just the fact that you worry about it means a lot.

I am really glad to play in this game, there aren't many game that last so long on these boards.

As for Willow I never watched a single episode of Buffy, so I can't really say.
 


I always saw “Willow” more as an 18 Charisma 18 Wisdom person…
But than I’m not a big “Buffy” fan, (chauvinistic male pig mode) Willow was the only good reason to watch the series.
 

I for one never linked the character looks with their charisma scores. I have always seen it as a confidence that people just react to... something that makes them do what you ask.

Although a low charisma score could effect how someone looks, the reverse isn't always true.

Lets look at the example given:

Lets look at Willow from Buffy the vampire slayer season 1-2 compared to season 5-6 (before the whole "I'm evil, lets blow up the world" thing)

The first couple of seasons she dressed plainly, hunched her shoulders, rarely if ever spoke up and gave an opinion, basically tried to blend in with the background and although still good looking I would have given her an average charisma score at best. Now flash forward 4 or so years and you have a energetic Willow, someone who speaks her mind, someone who would argue her point but yet still knows that other people have feelings and doesn't go out of her way to be overly rude and obnoxious. She was confident about herself and her ablilites... I would rate her charisma at the 15-17 point
 

Confidence in herself is more measured by wisdom than charisma. Charisma is how you impact others around you. Inner strenght, will power is measured by wisdom.

I know a lot of people that are introverted and have an amazing will power, don't get influence by peer pressure if it goes against their belief.

Take a bunch of high school kid, the low wis, high cha might be the leader of the group and be very vocal and lead the other to do all kind of stupid thing, but smokes because he is afraid that he won't look cool enough.

The low Cha, high wis on the other hand doesn't have a lot of friend might even be a reject, but don't try to convince him to do drugs or to do stupid thing, you won't.

Unless of course you have more Charisma than he has wisdom :)
 

So, from the examples given, I think I'm playing Teleri fairly well. And I think I'm going to spread out her bonus points between her intelligence and charisma as she advances in levels, that would be a good representation of her growing maturity and experience.
 
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DarkMaster said:
Confidence in herself is more measured by wisdom than charisma. Charisma is how you impact others around you.

While confidence in yourself is connected to will power it also has to be connected to charisma as well. Who would follow someone that isn't confident in themselves? Your examples are valid though, I think we are just looking at it in slightly different ways.

I like how your are role playing your character kirinke
 
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