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Star Wars The mandalorian [Spoilers]

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Really, I feel like they've gone around and around with this plot thread a few too many times now. It's been in good guys' hands, and bad guys' hands, back and forth, united Mandalore for good and ill, it feels like it's done more harm than good at this point, and as a plot device it's seriously played out. I honestly think Din would be doing the Mandalorians a favour if he destroyed it.
I've no idea what any of that is!
 

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pukunui

Legend
I've no idea what any of that is!

In short: We first saw the darksaber in the hands of a bad Mandalorian named Pre Vizsla, head of Death Watch and Bo-Katan's one-time boss. He led a coup against Bo-Katan's sister, Satine, who was leading a pacifist government on Mandalore during the Clone Wars. But Vizsla made the mistake of allying with Maul, who pulled off his own coup, killing Vizsla and claiming both the darksaber and Mandalore for himself.

Maul later hid the darksaber away in the old Nightsisters' lair on Dathomir, where a good Mandalorian named Sabine Wren found it during the Rebellion Era. She later gave it to Bo-Katan after they defeated the leader of the Mandalorians who had sided with the Empire. Bo-Katan was supposed to use the darksaber to unite the fractious tribes.

But then the Empire blew up Mandalore, turning its surface to glass and stealing all the beskar. The Mandalorians dispersed throughout the galaxy, some hiding away in "coverts" while others became guerrilla warriors (like Bo-Katan's Nite Owls). It would appear that Bo-Katan lost the darksaber during the Empire's destruction of Mandalore (or thereabouts). It's possible Moff Gideon bested her in combat and claimed it for himself. We don't know yet.

But apparently she now can't just accept it back from Din, even though he's offered it to her, because she hasn't earned it. She will have to defeat (but not necessarily kill) Din in combat to get it back. (And he would have to genuinely fight her for it, not just pretend and let her win.) This was Moff Gideon's one little victory.

That said, it's possible Bo-Katan may never get it back. She's lost it once already, so maybe she doesn't "deserve" to have it back. I still would not be at all surprised if they're building up to Din becoming the new leader of the Mandalorians. Bo-Katan may even end up going back to being a villain again.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
In short: we first saw the darksaber in the hands of a bad Mandalorian named Pre Vizsla, head of Death Watch and Bo-Katan's one-time boss. He led a coup against Bo-Katan's sister, Satine, who was leading a pacifist government on Mandalore during the Clone Wars. But Vizsla made the mistake of allying with Maul, who pulled off his own coup, killing Vizsla and claiming both the darksaber and Mandalore for himself.

Maul later hid the darksaber away in the old Nightsisters' lair on Dathomir, where a good Mandalorian named Sabine Wren found it during the Rebellion Era. She later gave it to Bo-Katan after they defeated the leader of the Mandalorians who had sided with the Empire. Bo-Katan was supposed to use the darksaber to unite the fractious tribes.

But then the Empire blew up Mandalore, turning its surface to glass and stealing all the beskar. The Mandalorians dispersed throughout the galaxy, some hiding away in "coverts" while others become guerrilla warriors (like Bo-Katan's Nite Owls). It would appear that Bo-Katan lost the darksaber during the Empire's destruction of Mandalore (or thereabouts). It's possible Moff Gideon bested her in combat and claimed it for himself. We don't know yet.

But now she can't just accept it back from Din, even though he's offered it to her, because she hasn't earned it. And it's possible she may never get it back. I still would not be at all surprised if they're building up to Din becoming the new leader of the Mandalorians. Bo-Katan may even end up going back to being a villain again.
I could have Googled it if I felt a burning desire for the backstory. The show hopefully won't require homework. :)
 

cbwjm

Hero
Ugh. The darksabre Mandalorian stuff is too inside baseball for me. I'm not going to research it, and it's not grabbing me with the limited (none) info I have. I hope they don't do that.
Other than what's been shown in the series and mentioned here, I'm in the same boat, except that it has grabbed me. There's just something about the wielder of the blade has the right to rule that I think is cool.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Other than what's been shown in the series and mentioned here, I'm in the same boat, except that it has grabbed me. There's just something about the wielder of the blade has the right to rule that I think is cool.
Is that what it Is? Excalibur? I may have missed that exchange in the show.
 

pukunui

Legend
Is that what it Is? Excalibur? I may have missed that exchange in the show.
Yes, pretty much. I'm fairly certain Gideon let Din win their fight in order to spoil Bo-Katan's claim to the saber. He even said "Assume I know everything," so it stands to reason he would know (or be fairly certain) that Din would have no idea of the darksaber's history and thus would happily pick it up thinking he could just give it to Bo-Katan the next time he saw her.

It does run a little contrary to the fact that Bo-Katan accepted the darksaber when Sabine offered it to her in Rebels, but as others have pointed out in this very thread, the circumstances were different then and perhaps the reason she lost it is because she never actually earned it. Now that she's older and wiser, she knows she's got to earn it properly to be able to truly claim it as her own.


At least this time around, we don't seem to be experiencing any vitriol around how stupidly impossible a black katana-shaped blade with a white glow is. I recall many conversations along those lines from the old WotC SWSE forums when those original darksaber Clone Wars episodes first aired.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Yes, I'm sure you could have. But I felt like saving you the effort. You're welcome. :)
Scarcasm aside, that’s not in the show and — with respect — your retelling of it is not exactly inspiring. If the show requires me to have an online acquaintance dryly relate some boring backstory to me (I’m sure it was exciting in the medium it was originally presented, if you like those cartoons) there’s a structural problem in the franchise. Which is why, as I said, I hope that going forward I don’t need that knowledge.
 

cbwjm

Hero
Is that what it Is? Excalibur? I may have missed that exchange in the show.
That's the vibe I'm getting from it, might be more to it but from the show, Bo Katan wanted the blade to cement her right to reclaim and rule Mandalore, I think Moff Gideon provided most of what I know about it when he was explaining why she couldn't just take the blade from the main guy.
 

pukunui

Legend
Scarcasm aside, that’s not in the show and — with respect — your retelling of it is not exactly inspiring. If the show requires me to have an online acquaintance dryly relate some boring backstory to me (I’m sure it was exciting in the medium it was originally presented, if you like those cartoons) there’s a structural problem in the franchise. Which is why, as I said, I hope that going forward I don’t need that knowledge.
The first paragraph is a summary of the darksaber's story from the Clone Wars cartoon. The second paragraph is from Rebels. Everything else in my post was gleaned from The Mandalorian.

If anyone really wants to know more, here's the first place to look: Darksaber
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
That's the vibe I'm getting from it, might be more to it but from the show, Bo Katan wanted the blade to cement her right to reclaim and rule Mandalore, I think Moff Gideon provided most of what I know about it when he was explaining why she couldn't just take the blade from the main guy.
Yeah I found that a bit vague and confusing.
 


CapnZapp

Legend
I'm sure they won't both air at exactly the same time. By that argument, Doctor Who s14 is effectively Mando season 3. They're different shows.
Who brought up Doctor Who?

I'm saying that if Mando is replaced in the schedule next December, it's not worth arguing over the technicality that Fett isn't really Mando S3.
 



pukunui

Legend
No idea what that is.
It's Harry Potter's version of the darksaber. ;)

EDIT: It's a magic wand from the Harry Potter stories. The idea is that it's the most powerful wand that's ever existed (crafted from elder wood by Death himself), and in order to become its master, you have to defeat its previous master. A major twist in the Harry Potter stories revolves around this fact.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Oh, yes. I think they've explored "Yoda as toddler" sufficiently; so I think they're going to step up to "Yoda as tween or teen". And while I can't be sure, I think they'll want to pattern him on an actor who can be on set in a mocap suit, and one who can follow direction. Given size restraints, that actor will have to be as small a child as possible that can still be easily directed; (probably multiple children with similar builds; at least mocap means they won't be forced to find twins).
They could just cast a teenage little person.
Ugh. The darksabre Mandalorian stuff is too inside baseball for me. I'm not going to research it, and it's not grabbing me with the limited (none) info I have. I hope they don't do that.
Inside baseball, really? What do you not know that you need to know to understand the tension around the sword? Its a symbol of leadership, as noted in the first Bo-Katan episode and alluded to later, was stolen/taken by imperial monster Gideon, earned back by Din, and when he tried to give it to Bo-Katan, she didn't feel she could take it as a gift like that and be able to actually use it as a symbol of leadership of thier Proud Warrior (tm) culture.

That's...all in the show.
I've no idea what any of that is!
You know what Mandalore is, that the Empire strip mined it and made it next to uninhabitable, and Gideon was the guy who oversaw that, and that it's basically a weird lightsaber.


But honestly, even if you did need to know a few episodes of knowledge from Clone Wars and Rebels...that's a reasonable ask. IMO it isn't really reasonable to decry that very, very, very, small amount of interconnectedness in what has always* been a shared universe. I get you don't like watching cartoons, but it's really not a big deal for some detail of a show in a shared universe to reference and call back to another show in that shared universe.

The show establishes the stakes and importance of the darksaber on screen, with greater depth to it's history and import being found in other parts of the shared universe. There is literally nothing at all wrong with that, from a story telling perspective (just like its okay to reference MacBeth in a story about treason and the making of kings, without explaining the reference), or from a "how creators treat their fans" perspective.

*or close enough as to make no difference
 

cbwjm

Hero
It's Harry Potter's version of the darksaber. ;)

EDIT: It's a magic wand from the Harry Potter stories. The idea is that it's the most powerful wand that's ever existed (crafted from elder wood by Death himself), and in order to become its master, you have to defeat its previous master. A major twist in the Harry Potter stories revolves around this fact.
Oh right, is it new or is this part of the original stories? I've only ever seen the first 6 or 7 movies and the two grindalwald ones and never read the books. Originally, I was going to ask if it was something from the Elder Scrolls series, mainly because they shared the word elder. The back story of it sounds cool, sounds like a wand worth putting into DnD.
 



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