D&D 5E The Misrepresentation of Charisma

[Corwin]

Nice try, but you specifically asked "have you". And no, no I haven't. Because they don't exist in either of the generations I've played.

Well then the joke's on you. I never asked *you* anything. I asked Henry. And besides that, *I've* played in games involving encounters with creatures immune to magic in the last few "generations". So I guess they do exist after all.

 

[Yunru]

Well then the joke's on you. I never asked *you* anything. I asked Henry. And besides that, *I've* played in games involving encounters with creatures immune to magic in the last few "generations". So I guess they do exist after all.

Not by the books they don't, and homebrew counts for squat.

 

[Corwin]

What "books"? And now you are attempting to define what "homebrew counts for"? Brilliantly played on two fronts.

 

[Yunru]

What "books"? And now you are attempting to define what "homebrew counts for"? Brilliantly played on two fronts.

Y'know, the books that WoTC release. And "homebrew counts for nothing" is a long held convention. The closest people are going to get to a unified table for drawing comparisions and conclusion of balance is by using only official material.

And honestly, every post you've made has just been more and more baity, so this is my last response to you on this issue (well, unless the next posts are less baity).

 

[Corwin]

Y'know, the books that WoTC release.

But not books by any other publishers? Not even respected, popular ones? Are you sure?

Or what about "books that WotC released" but that are from prior editions, that I do a direct conversion for my 5e game? Would those count?

And "homebrew counts for nothing" is a long held convention.

You say that like its a fact or something. I certainly don't agree. Given that a huge swath of D&D games are played in people's homes, I'd say "homebrew is everything." Didn't WotC just release some statistics not too long ago showing that quite a significant number of D&D players homebrew? I'm pretty sure they did. I would probably have been a bit more inclined to go dig it up for you, but your ad hominems are getting me down.

 

[Satyrn]

Have you ever fought an encounter with (a) creature(s) immune, or highly resistant to, magic? What a waste having that wizard in the party, am I right?

So let's get back to where thus derailed. This question feels wrong for the context you were asking it in. It seems like you should be asking about playing in a game - a whole campaign - where pretty much every encounter (creatures and scenery) is immune to magic.

 

[Corwin]

No. Henry stated that CHA was a waste fighting "Orcs, or a Bulette, or Umber Hulk, or Owlbear." So I put a twist on it. I related it to how much of a waste having a wizard in the party would be while facing creatures immune, or highly resistant, to magic. That's all. That's it. Henry never said anything about "whole campaign." In fact, any campaign with even "occasional opportunities for Social Interaction" did not qualify by his standards as worthy of anyone considering CHA. *His* words.

Making mountains out of mole hills seems to be the soup de jour around here. Is that a debate tactic people find works more often than not or something? I've been seeing a lot of it lately.

 

[Yunru]

But not books by any other publishers? Not even respected, popular ones? Are you sure?

Not even them, for the very reasons you conviently ignore.

Or what about "books that WotC released" but that are from prior editions, that I do a direct conversion for my 5e game? Would those count?

That would be homebrew, as it's not officially released for the edition.

You say that like its a fact or something. I certainly don't agree. Given that a huge swath of D&D games are played in people's homes, I'd say "homebrew is everything."

Like it or not, it's fact. To maintain a valid vision of what everyone's playing for balance, you assume the official default. Otherwise you get silly arguments like
"Savage Attack is overpowered."
"Why?"
"Well when this player makes his five attacks he gets to reroll all the dice involved..."

 

[Corwin]

I'm just glad you didn't consider my last post "baity." Your acceptance of me means a lot.

Not even them, for the very reasons you conviently ignore.

So I'm not supposed to use, or even discuss, 3PP material anymore? That's a bummer. Some of it is super good.

That would be homebrew, as it's not officially released for the edition.

What if WotC is encouraging you to do it?

Like it or not, it's fact.

Can you cite an authority on this? No offense, but I'd like confirmation.

To maintain a valid vision of what everyone's playing for balance, you assume the official default.

Do we though? I'm not sure what it is you are even getting at, really. "Vision"? "Balance"? "Official default"? None of that has any real objective meaning across D&D as a whole.

Otherwise you get silly arguments like
"Savage Attack is overpowered."
"Why?"
"Well when this player makes his five attacks he gets to reroll all the dice involved..."

Now I'm certain you've lost me. Savage Attack[er] is a feat in the 5e PHB. It allows for you to reroll damage for a melee weapon attack once per turn. What does this have to do with our discussion? Oh, are you confusing "houserule" with "homebrew"? That has to be it. I think I found the disconnect!

 

[MechaPilot]

Our game includes a comliness score in addition to the charisma score as social attributes. For us the difference is that comliness is passive, it comes into play simply by walking into a room. Charisma is active, you have to speak, sing, or do something that attracts attention.

I use a kind of comeliness, but it's not a stat. I let players decide if their character is Beautiful, Ordinary, or Ugly. Ordinary is what most people are, and it changes nothing in play. If you choose to be beautiful or ugly, it changes certain things.

For example, a beautiful character is probably not going to be seen as being very tough, while an ugly character would. Also, a beautiful character might be seen as less competent (whether true or not) because people may see her as getting by on her looks instead of her own merits. Both ugly and beautiful characters stand out in a crowd, making it harder for them to blend in with ordinary people unless they are concealing their beauty/ugliness, and any checks to recall what they look like are made with advantage because of the lasting impression the beauty or ugliness leaves in those who view the character.