The Monk's Hit Dice Should Be a d8! [Rant]

[Christian]

And yet another thread rises from the grave to stalk the boards and eat the brains of the living ...

 

[Lucius Foxhound]

Ooh! Ooh! Let's talk about how Rangers are broken!

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Ah, yes because it is so much better when someone starts a new thread abouth the same exact thing. At least this way, people don't have to re-hash all their old arguments.

 

[Storm Raven]

Exactly. "A monk has the ability to stun a creature damaged by her unarmed attacks". I don't see how you can read that as anything other than a special that works on top of her regular unarmed attacks. Incidentally, since it explicitly mentions damaging the target, this also addresses the issue of whether stunning works against DR.

There are other attack effects that are delivered on top of normal attacks that cannot be used with a full attack option. The damage bonus from Dirty Fighting for example.

Why is it difficult to grasp that making a Stunning Attack requires you to make a single attack and use the supernatural ability as part of that single attack? Saying "it is part of an attack" does not negate the fact that it is a supernatural ability.

 

[Storm Raven]

The important wording is this: "the monk must declare she is using a stun attack before making the attack roll".

And this proves what? How is this any kind of evidence that you can make a full attack action and combine it with use of the Stunning Fist ability? You need to declare you are using it before you make the attack roll. This does not mean that it can be part of a full attack sequence.

 

[IceBear]

I'm going with The Sage's ruling about supernatural abilities applying to actions

IceBear

 

[Delgar]

Basically if you decide that a monk, must activiate the SU as a standard action, he then only has a move equivalent action left (unless of course he's hasted). Therefore, the monk could only attack every other round. That seems a little silly. I think people are doing way too much rules lawyering and not using enough common sense.

But that's just my opinion.

Delgar

 

[Liquide]

Basically if you decide that a monk, must activiate the SU as a standard action, he then only has a move equivalent action left (unless of course he's hasted). Therefore, the monk could only attack every other round. That seems a little silly. I think people are doing way too much rules lawyering and not using enough common sense.

But that's just my opinion.

Delgar

Actually (this is not to be mean just to state opinions) common sense as good as it sometimes is usually creates the best house-rules we will ever see out there.

The problem here however is to determine if the Stunning Attack is an exception to the rules of Supernatural Abilities (there is nothing in the rules nor description that says otherwise).

So even if the case is that the monk has to use a Standard action to make a Stunning Attack YOU can still rule 0 it , we just want to make sure what it does BY THE RULES.

But remember, roleplaying is to please everyone. If it doesn't fit your style of play Change it.

But then again, don't change anything that aint broke aswell

 

[IceBear]

To me, a stunning fist is modifying an attack action and thus, it is part of the attack action instead of a seperate action in and of itself.

If the monk could shoot magic missles out of his fist as a supernatural ability, then that is an action in and of itself, and thus would take an action to activate.

IceBear

 

[Liquide]

To me, a stunning fist is modifying an attack action and thus, it is part of the attack action instead of a seperate action in and of itself.

If the monk could shoot magic missles out of his fist as a supernatural ability, then that is an action in and of itself, and thus would take an action to activate.

IceBear

OK let me take this back at you then
Ki Strike I can go with changes a Monks attack so there I can allow it as an exception to the Supernatural Abilities takes a Standard Action to use.

But what is the diffrence of delivering a Stunning Effect from Delivering a Magic Missle effect in mechanics, please tell me

I cannot see any diffrence in mechanics actually, still Ki Strike differs a lot more and I can understand it as an exception to the Standard Action rule.

Oh and please do not try and read any tone in this post/text since I'm not trying to be mean nor sarcastic, I just try to look at what the rules say.