D&D General The Problem with Evil or what if we don't use alignments?

[Crimson Longinus]

What are those morals exactly? Go look at the 5e alignments. Then use all of those to tell me what the morals of Jeremy Crawford and Mike Mears are.

I hope it doesn't actually reflect their real morals and is a result of unfortunate implication due mistakes and thoughtlessness. But certainly the choices of who is labelled evil and who good in colonialist narratives about fighting against the 'savages' should raise some concerns.

 

[Maxperson]

I hope it doesn't actually reflect their real morals and is a result of unfortunate implication due mistakes and thoughtlessness. But certainly the choices of who is labelled evil and who good in colonialist narratives about fighting against the 'savages' should raise some concerns.

This is the discussion that gets threads shut down. I'm not going to engage this line of discussion.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

This is the discussion that gets threads shut down. I'm not going to engage this line of discussion.

Well, that's kinda at the core of the biggest issue, so pretending that it doesn't exist really doesn't work.

 

[Maxperson]

Well, that's kinda at the core of the biggest issue, so pretending that it doesn't exist really doesn't work.

I'm not pretending anything. I'm not engaging because the moderators don't want us to have the discussion.

 

[Fenris-77]

There is no place to deploy it outside of a psychology classroom. Shouting out fallacies is solely the domain of people on the internet who have no actual argument but want to score points in their own mind.

That's an awfully biased sort of thing to say. Are you suggesting that first, you're in charge of other people's speech, and two, that obvious argumentation in bad faith ( or just plain bad) shouldn't be pointed out? You look bad either way and you weren't even correct about the initial post I reaponded two. Ouch.

You aren't the fallacy police so maybe take a step back and concetrate on minding your own business. Just a thought.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I'm not pretending anything. I'm not engaging because the moderators don't want us to have the discussion.

I don't think that is true. Several threads where topics related to that were debated got exceedingly heated and got shut down as a result, that's all.

 

[ccs]

Sometimes even when a tool supposedly is adapted for your need then the tool isn't a good one.

If alignment was a hammer it would be one with a half-length unfinished and unvarnished handle prone to give splinters, and where the head was held on by simple friction while the head itself was made of cast iron so it was prone to shattering if you swung it hard.

Yes, if you only use it within the safety parameters you can use it to hammer in nails. This doesn't mysteriously make it a good hammer. It makes it the cheapest hammer on the market - and hammers aren't expensive. A hammer of a better length, better weight, with a polished handle, and a head that doesn't fly off is a better hammer even for the things that cheap hammer is supposedly meant for.

But there will be people who have adapted their technique to this terrible hammer and will protest when the kit replaces it with a better one because they are used to the tools they are used to.

What a long winded way of saying "I don't know how to use Alignment".

 

[Maxperson]

Did thou forget 5e is an edition partially based on courting those living in the past?

Not with alignment. One sentence doesn't suffice court anyone who likes an alignment system prior to 4th edition. It doesn't even BEGIN to do so. Especially since all of those older systems have mechanics attached. They designed 5e to have a 1e feel, but not with regard to alignment.

Most 5e DMs are precious edition users.

Citation needed on that one. There are far more new players than old ones(if WotC's numbers are to be believed) and not anywhere close to enough old DMs to cover most of them.

 

[Mistwell]

Most 5e DMs are precious edition users.

Where are you getting that from?

 

[hopeless]

Well technically I'm one of those previous edition users, but I believe there are more new ones especially thanks to stuff like Critical Role for example.