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The Sage on Arcane Archers
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Thanee
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About Seeker and Phase arrow...
Obviously you need to know the exact square for the Phase arrow, otherwise you could not shoot it in the correct direction, because it travels in a straight line (arrows do so usually).
The Seeker arrow can turn corners and will find the target on its own (but still using your to hit bonus, it just projects the straight line of fire, you usually have, on a twisted path around corners and such).
The 'known to you' has nothing to do with location, but is the same as with many spells (i.e. Scrying), I suppose. You just have to give the arrow a target, so that the ability can work, you cannot simply shoot at any 5'-square and any target within there, but you have to specify the target itself, not its location.
The location has to correspond with your firing direction for the Phase arrow, but not for the Seeker arrow.
That's how I see it.
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Thanee
Obviously you need to know the exact square for the Phase arrow, otherwise you could not shoot it in the correct direction, because it travels in a straight line (arrows do so usually).
The Seeker arrow can turn corners and will find the target on its own (but still using your to hit bonus, it just projects the straight line of fire, you usually have, on a twisted path around corners and such).
The 'known to you' has nothing to do with location, but is the same as with many spells (i.e. Scrying), I suppose. You just have to give the arrow a target, so that the ability can work, you cannot simply shoot at any 5'-square and any target within there, but you have to specify the target itself, not its location.
The location has to correspond with your firing direction for the Phase arrow, but not for the Seeker arrow.
That's how I see it.
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Thanee
Thanee, I'm not saying that your proposed solution isn't a balanced one, but that the Sage doesn't seem to be saying that. The question isn't what should be a fair house rule on this issue, but what is the real rule on the issue. The sage seems to be making two contradictory statements. I don't follow your logic on how "knowing" the target has a different meaning when it's described in the same way. It makes little sense that the same exact wording in one paragraph means something totally and completely different in the paragraph directly after it.
To add fuel to the debate bonfire fire, lol...
Take a look what Monte Cook (whom I beleive wrote the Arcane Archer prestige class) wrote on this issue:
http://pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyourturnfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2490.topic
To add fuel to the debate bonfire fire, lol...
Take a look what Monte Cook (whom I beleive wrote the Arcane Archer prestige class) wrote on this issue:
http://pub58.ezboard.com/fokayyourturnfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2490.topic
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Thanee
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There is nothing contradictory in the Sage's ruling. My explanation was fully based on the Sage's replies up there and I think they are fully within the rules context and the Sage's explanation of them.
Nowhere does it say, that 'target must be known to you' means 'target's location must be known to you', actually it seems rather unlikely, that this is meant by that.
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Thanee
Nowhere does it say, that 'target must be known to you' means 'target's location must be known to you', actually it seems rather unlikely, that this is meant by that.
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Thanee
***Nowhere does it say, that 'target must be known to you' means 'target's location must be known to you', actually it seems rather unlikely, that this is meant by that.***
You are taking one interpertation, but it can be interperted in other ways. The wording is terrible on this. Are you seriously going to tell me that the same exact wording on how you target someone for both arrows has completely and totally different meanings? It is the same wording, how can it possibly be different?
You are taking one interpertation, but it can be interperted in other ways. The wording is terrible on this. Are you seriously going to tell me that the same exact wording on how you target someone for both arrows has completely and totally different meanings? It is the same wording, how can it possibly be different?
Not according to what the sage wrote me (and if it's scrying, why isn't their a scry check? are creatures that are immune to scrying immune to the seeker arrows? If not, this would be the only unfallable scrying in the entirity of the rules):
**"known" means know the location. For example, a target seen, but behind cover, seen remotely (via a mirror or divination spell), heard but not seen, or the like. **
The "known" seems to mean that if it's an opponent that you know is in a particular 5'x5' square, that's pretty clear. It does mention scrying, but only when cast seperately and in conjunction with.
**"known" means know the location. For example, a target seen, but behind cover, seen remotely (via a mirror or divination spell), heard but not seen, or the like. **
The "known" seems to mean that if it's an opponent that you know is in a particular 5'x5' square, that's pretty clear. It does mention scrying, but only when cast seperately and in conjunction with.
Thanee
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If the part behind the ** is what the Sage has written you, then I can understand the confusion, as it is really contradictory to the above statement.
The scrying comparison was only about the known to you part, not implying, that the Arcane Archer abilities would use scrying to work.
Anyways, the explanation I have written above seems the most sensible interpretation of both the rules and the Sage's answers to me. It actually makes the ability useable, which it otherwise would not be (except for extremely rare situations, like when actually scrying on someone in your vincinity).
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Thanee
The scrying comparison was only about the known to you part, not implying, that the Arcane Archer abilities would use scrying to work.
Anyways, the explanation I have written above seems the most sensible interpretation of both the rules and the Sage's answers to me. It actually makes the ability useable, which it otherwise would not be (except for extremely rare situations, like when actually scrying on someone in your vincinity).
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Thanee
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