The santa thread


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billd91 said:
But deliberately throwing away integrity to put the cat back in the bag? I don't think so.

Are you talking about the news article or the teacher recanting? As to the latter, I don't know if I consider it a matter of integrity so much as trying to mollify the parents that you've offended. And I'd consider the news article to be "folksey fun" as you say.
 

I never believed in Santa as a child, and I can't say that it seriously harmed me or my imagination. (After all, I game and that's the biggest use of my imagination that I can think of!)

My parents never made an effort of convincing me that Santa didn't existence, nor did they encourage me to believe in the jolly old elf. Me and my siblings just sort-of figuring the whole thing out for ourselves. However, that didn't make Christmas any less magical for us.

On the other hand, I don't think there's anything wrong with parents teaching their children about Santa if that's their decision. I agree with those who say that it isn't the teacher's place to uphold or dispel belief in Santa. However, the way that the Dallas paper reads, it sounds like it was all an unfortunate mistake.

I really feel sorry for the teacher in this case. My cousin is a teacher, and I know the amount of pressure they receive from both the administration and the parents to be perfect at all times. It's so hard to teach while trying not to say something that is contradictory to someone's personal beliefs. Everyone makes mistakes, and that's what this sounds like.

Finally, I think that the article posted by Kahuna was a horrible example of journalism. My brother works on a local newspaper, and he would never publish anything that was so poorly written and so vitriolic in nature. The Dallas account of the story was much more balanced IMHO, and seemed a more likely account of the incident.

That's just my 2 cents.
 

Aeson said:
As a kid I believed in Santa. I can't remember when it was reveled to me that he did not exsist. I think it started as with many, an older mean kid told me....

Ever notice how the first kid to break it to the other kids is not a good kid? Makes you wonder...
 

I have thought that I would celebrate St. Nicholas' day (see below) with my children when I have them. Being christian I have been told not to lie and to treat others as I would like them to treat me.

While I believed in Santa, I remember being sad that he always brought the big present, and not my folks. Also, once I figured it out, I remember pretending that I believed just cause it was such a gravy train. It was not really the idea that some being had snuck down the chimney and provided me with my hearts desire, but just the surprise that I experienced when I entered the living room to see the gift in all its glory there before the fireplace.

I do not think I like Santa as he is portrayed today. His love is conditional if you do not understand that you reap what you sow. And even then it teaches somthing that competes with the real reason I would want my child to be good. i.e. I don't want them being good because they think they will get stuff if they do.

Edited by me said:
Who is Santa Claus? The story of Saint Nicholas

By Pastor Mark Driscoll and Deacon Crystal Griffin

The larger-than-life myths surrounding Santa Claus
actually emanate from the very real person of Saint Nicholas.
It is difficult to know the exact details of his life with certainty
as the ancient records are sparse, but pieces can be put
together as a mosaic of his life.

Nicholas was born in the third century in Patara, a village
in what is now Turkey. He was born into an affluent
family, but his parents died tragically when he was quite
young. His parents had raised him to be a devout Christian,
which led him to spend his great inheritance on helping the
poor, especially children. He was known to frequently give
gifts to children, sometimes even hanging socks filled with
treats and gifts.

Perhaps his most famous act of kindness was helping
three sisters. Because their family was too poor to pay for
their wedding dowry, three young Christian women were
facing a life of prostitution until Nicholas paid their dowry,
thereby saving them from a horrible life of sexual slavery.
Nicholas grew to be a well-loved Christian leader and
was eventually voted the Bishop of Myra, a port city that the
apostle Paul had previously visited (Acts 27:5-6). Nicholas
reportedly also traveled to the Council of Nicea,
where he helped defend the deity of Jesus Christ in AD
325.

Following his death on December 6, 343, he was canonized
as a saint. The anniversary of his death became the
St. Nicholas holiday when gifts were given in his memory. He
remained a very popular saint among Catholic and Orthodox
Christians, with some 2,000 churches named after him. The
holiday in his honor eventually merged with Christmas as
they were celebrated within weeks of one another.

During the Reformation, however, Nicholas fell out of
favor with Protestants, who did not approve of canonizing
certain people as saints and venerating them with holidays.
His holiday was not celebrated in any Protestant country
except Holland, where his legend as Sinterklass lived on. In
Germany, Martin Luther replaced him with the Christ child as
the object of holiday celebration, or, in German, Christkindl.
Over time, the celebration of the Christ child was simply pronounced
Kriss Kingle and oddly became just another name
for Santa Claus.

The legends about Santa Claus are most likely a compilation
of other folklore. For example, there was the story in
Nicholas’ day that a demon was entering people’s homes.
It would slither down the chimneys and slaughter children
(disembowelling them or stuffing them up the flue, or keeping
them in a sack to eat later) and that Nicholas cast it out of a
home.

Also, there was a Siberian myth (near the North Pole)
that a holy man, or shaman, entered people’s homes to leave
them mushrooms as gifts. According to the legend, he would
hang them in front of the fire to dry. Reindeer would reportedly
eat them and become intoxicated. This may have started the
myth that the reindeer could fly, as it was believed that the
shaman could also fly. This myth may have merged with the
Santa Claus myth and if so, explains him traveling from the
North Pole to come down the chimney and leave presents on
the mantle over the fireplace before flying away with reindeer.
 

jester47 said:
I do not think I like Santa as he is portrayed today. His love is conditional if you do not understand that you reap what you sow. And even then it teaches somthing that competes with the real reason I would want my child to be good. i.e. I don't want them being good because they think they will get stuff if they do.

It's not Santa's love that's conditional. It's his reward that's conditional. I have yet to hear that Santa doesn't love naughty children, rather that they just get a lump of coal rather than something nice. The Santa legend can be used as an example for teaching kids about reaping what you sow.
 

jester47 said:
Ever notice how the first kid to break it to the other kids is not a good kid? Makes you wonder...
Well I did notice it always seems to be someone older. I don't know why but it does seem also to be a bad kid more or less.
 

Aeson said:
Well I did notice it always seems to be someone older. I don't know why but it does seem also to be a bad kid more or less.

It's simply because the kid (or adult) who is the type that takes pleasure from the pain of others are the ones most likely to "break" the story to their peers...as they are just about the only ones who have something to gain from it.
 

Krieg said:
It's simply because the kid (or adult) who is the type that takes pleasure from the pain of others are the ones most likely to "break" the story to their peers...as they are just about the only ones who have something to gain from it.
I bet they pull the wings off of flies also.
 

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