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The "Torment a Historian" movie playlist thread

nedjer

Adventurer
Half of the mystique surrounding Arthur seems to come from his mythical roots. It does seem safe to say that whatever/ whoever the original, much of the 'movie Arthur' draws on ideas/ themes introduced after Gutenburg got printing.

Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur and Idylls of the Kings are probably the greatest influence, because it was the first really widely distributed version and hooked into the Victorian's obsession with an idealised antiquity. Donnelly's Atlantis, pre-Raphaelite art, Tennyson, etc . . . all fed a hugely patronising desire to justify imperialism, (and empire-building), as righteous, 'godly' and clearly necessary for producing the 'golden eras' delivered by benign monarchies. Kind of monarchies as 'points of light'.

Anyway, to get to the point, the University of Rochester's Camelot Project has a great site about all things Arthurian, HERE. There's another Camelot Project site out there; populated by material from spangleheads like David Icke - possibly best avoided, though that won't be necessary for long, as they're apparently accurately predicting the end of the world shortly :)
 

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Dannyalcatraz

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It's called Foreign Accent Syndrome, and since it can be triggered by head trauma, heroic types are probably more likely to have it...though explaining how one gets an accent from a culture that hasn't arisen yet is a bit trickier.

Perhaps a hot tub or a police box are involved?
 
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Dragonwriter

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Hop in a Hot Tub Time Machine, go to the future, get a head injury that causes Foreign Accent Syndrome, then return to your normal adventuring life.

And so we are back to this:

Just a thought- we're off to a good start: we should use this thread to make a sci/fant treatment of some historical account of a famous war and pitch the script to Uwe Boll.

With a cross of Hot Tub Time Machine and Robin Hood... Wow.

It's called Foreign Accent Syndrome, and since it can be triggered by head trauma, heroic types are probably more likely to have it...though explaining how one gets an accent from a culture that hasn't arisen yet is a bi trickier.

Again, possible, but there is no mention of a head injury in the movie. And such a syndrome is not likely to be known to the average person watching the movie...

Easily. Robin hood lost his accent when he fought in the crusades as a result of Saladin's men taking it from Robin during his captivity.

:p
Why didn't they take it from his buddy, too? Peter, the boyhood friend... Or were they all full up on their foreign accent collection? ;)
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Staff member
Again, possible, but there is no mention of a head injury in the movie.

They didn't need to- it happened in childhood, before the events of the film.

Or afterwards, technically, if a Hot Tub Time Machine is involved.

Hey, interesting idea: Robin Hood gets in a Hot Tub Time Machine, sees any American Robin Hood movie, gets drunk, hits head, develops FAS (losing his accent) and when he returns, takes up the cause of stealing from the rich to give to the poor!
 
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Dannyalcatraz

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Staff member
Just to allay any fears such as Dragonwriter may be harboring at this point: while I do have the skills to force any kinds of plot points together into a storyline as well as anyone in Hollywood, my self-respect and love of the underlying stories that Hollywood routinely screws up keeps me from doing so.








...for now.:devil:
 

SKyOdin

First Post
King Arthur was a terrible movie from the standpoint of historical accuracy, regardless of whether you think Arthur was an actual historical figure or not. Whoever wrote that movie clearly knew nothing about the actual period he was writing about. One of the most egregious examples is that the writer for some reason thought that the Pope and Bishops controlled the Roman Empire, when it wasn't until centuries later that the Papacy established significant political authority in Europe.

Gladiator was particularly egregious as well. Just about all of the politics and characters in that movie are completely made up. On top of that, the movie has scenes of characters reading printed, color leaflets.

In college, I had a History professor who decided to turn her Early Middle Ages history class into a movie class. So we ended up spending the entire quarter watching movies like Ben Hur, The 300 Spartans (1962 movie), Gladiator, King Arthur, Braveheart, Sparticus, the 13th Warrior and more and then writing essays on their historical accuracy. It was both fun and very painful. Hollywood is very, very bad at historical accuracy. Too bad we didn't have time to fit in Monty Python and the Holy Grail like the professor originally intended. She claimed it was the most historically accurate of the bunch (seeing as how the Monty Python guys are actually historians). I still need to watch that movie.
 




Dannyalcatraz

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Staff member
I just got points for some of the posts in this thread, so,,.

I have to say that there are some directors who could definitely screw up a “historically based” film up at least as well as Uwe Boll, like:

M. Night Shaymalan. I’m sure his take on something like, ohhhhhh, the Titanic disaster would involve a plot twist of having the iceberg being repositioned by Atlanteans.

Maybe Anthony Ferrante could place it in a version of his “Sharknadoverse”, but with telekinetic sharks.

1776? Give it to J.J. Abrams and watch the lens flares off of the Liberty Bell, bayonets, Ben Franklin’s glasses, tricorner hats and quill pens. Perhaps Old Ironsides gets created at the end of the film as a Transformer, setting up a sequel.
 

Ryujin

Hero
I just got points for some of the posts in this thread, so,,.

I have to say that there are some directors who could definitely screw up a “historically based” film up at least as well as Uwe Boll, like:

M. Night Shaymalan. I’m sure his take on something like, ohhhhhh, the Titanic disaster would involve a plot twist of having the iceberg being repositioned by Atlanteans.

Maybe Anthony Ferrante could place it in a version of his “Sharknadoverse”, but with telekinetic sharks.

1776? Give it to J.J. Abrams and watch the lens flares off of the Liberty Bell, bayonets, Ben Franklin’s glasses, tricorner hats and quill pens. Perhaps Old Ironsides gets created at the end of the film as a Transformer, setting up a sequel.
I feel like all of these movies may already have been made by the production company The Asylum.
 



Zardnaar

Legend
I was thinking the TV show Vikings but compared to some movies it's not that bad.

Doesn't break immersion at least for the casual viewer.

Season 2 they knew the UK was there and they transposed a viking funeral from a different time and place to Scandinavia (via Russia and an Arabic account).
 


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