They Killed Cap!

[Pozatronic]

So true. Him, JMS, and Bendis drove me from Marvel.

That's funny, those are the guys who brought me back to Marvel.



For while, I thought Steve Rogers was going to be the mystery guy behind the Ronin mask, but now I'm thinking that it'll be Clint Barton/Hawkeye.

I'm actually pretty excited about what's happening in the Marvel U. They've shaken a lot of things up and I'm optimistic that most of these changes will bring new and exciting stories. I just hope they don't lead to something as bad as the clone saga was. EVERYBODY hated that story. But so far we've got a new ThunderBolts team and a two new Avengers titles, and I'm enjoying all three. And now Cap just made my pull list.

Nobody stays dead in comics, unless you're Barry Allen. Oh, wait a minute, Didn't I just read something about him for Countdown.....

 

[Pozatronic]

My brother recently made a comment about all of this. Not just Cap's death, but the entire Civil War thing. Basically, this is all just a setup for Marvel's Massively Multiplayer Online RPG. Think about it, the 51st State Initiative is a good setup for an MMOG. You'll have players joining the pro-reg side (meaning that you're deputized by the government like the heroes in City of Heroes), or anti-reg forces (you'll be the outlaws just like in City of Villains). Mutants, however, will be neutral, and may start out at the X-Mansion.

So what do you all think of this theory? Personally, I think Marvel's pretty callous to muck up their entire universe all for the sake of a stinking online RPG.

I didn't know we had a 51st state!

About the rest: I really doubt it.

 

[Relique du Madde]

My brother recently made a comment about all of this. Not just Cap's death, but the entire Civil War thing. Basically, this is all just a setup for Marvel's Massively Multiplayer Online RPG. Think about it, the 51st State Initiative is a good setup for an MMOG. You'll have players joining the pro-reg side (meaning that you're deputized by the government like the heroes in City of Heroes), or anti-reg forces (you'll be the outlaws just like in City of Villains). Mutants, however, will be neutral, and may start out at the X-Mansion.

So what do you all think of this theory? Personally, I think Marvel's pretty callous to muck up their entire universe all for the sake of a stinking online RPG.

I seriously hope your wrong since if Marvel wanted to do a MMORG they could have easily created one without doing the whole Civil War thing. For instance... they could have made an intergalactic evil empire or a supervillian organization... Although.. I can see how people might scream "blantant rip off" if they did so...

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[horacethegrey]

I seriously hope your wrong since if Marvel wanted to do a MMORG they could have easily created one without doing the whole Civil War thing. For instance... they could have made an intergalactic evil empire or a supervillian organization... Although.. I can see how people might scream "blantant rip off" if they did so...

As I said, this is just a theory my brother had, and I'm taking it with a grain of salt. If you want, the Marvel MMOG (called Marvel Universe Online) comes out sometime this year, so you can check it out if this scenario comes to pass. My bro is right excited by this, and plans an upgrade for our PC just so he can join this game. :\

As for myself, after all this Civil Crap debacle, I've lost interest in any of Marvel's books. The only thing I'll be interested of theirs will be their movies. Spider-Man 3 and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer are on top of my viewing list this year. And despite being such an ass through the whole of CW, I'm looking forward to Iron Man's big screen debut next year.

EDIT: My mistake, it should have the 50 State Initiative. Apologies for my limited geographical knowledge.

 

[kroh]

My brother recently made a comment about all of this. Not just Cap's death, but the entire Civil War thing. Basically, this is all just a setup for Marvel's Massively Multiplayer Online RPG. Think about it, the 51st State Initiative is a good setup for an MMOG. You'll have players joining the pro-reg side (meaning that you're deputized by the government like the heroes in City of Heroes), or anti-reg forces (you'll be the outlaws just like in City of Villains). Mutants, however, will be neutral, and may start out at the X-Mansion.

So what do you all think of this theory? Personally, I think Marvel's pretty callous to muck up their entire universe all for the sake of a stinking online RPG.

Interesting Theory...Got anything to back it up?

Regards,
Walt

 

[LightPhoenix]

Right now, I'm only reading a handful of Marvel books: Runaways, New Avengers and - when it comes out - Young Avengers. I'll be giving Mighty Avengers and Avengers: Initiative a trial run.

I don't have much more to say on the Civil War story, but I did want to give another shout out to Runaways, which is a great comic.

It seems to me that the general decline at Marvel, aside from the shrinking interest in comics, is mostly the fault of the management, and not the writers. There will always be crappy writers and good writers, but poor management will make anything it touches awful.

 

[Vigilance]

Well given the horrid state of affairs at Marvel when the current administration took over, I think it would be hard to fault what they've done from a business point of view.

Civil War was a PHENOMENALLY successful comic through every single issue as well, so it's hard to say (again from strictly a business sense) that it was a bad idea. Every issue sold over 100,000 from what I've heard.

Creatively of course we each judge for ourselves.

For myself, event comics don't bother me as much as they used to because of tradebacks. I passed on Civil War but I will be getting the trades. Only a few comics are worth the trouble to me to seek out month to month (Astonishing X-Men and Cap).

In fact, the only irksome thing about Civil War to me was the lateness, since it meant I ended up going a couple of months without an issue of Cap.

 

[Sir Elton]

This is exactly what worries me.

Today's comics are full of characters who are willing to perform small evils to fight greater ones; characters for whom the ends justify the means.

Cap is one of the last, rare few who actually stand for the "hero" part of superhero. Comic books need more like him (and Spidey, and Superman), not fewer.

Ari,

Spider-man goes bad.

Spider-Man disappears after the battle and makes his way to the motel room where he, Mary Jane, and Aunt May live in. As he is welcomed by his loved ones, his spider-sense rings and he quickly hits the floor with Mary Jane. Unfortunately, in the act of saving one, he has lost the other, and Aunt May is shown bleeding from the left chest, indicating a fatal wound.

The Civil War wraps up with a majority of the Secret Avengers accepting the general amnesty given. However, some have opted to move to Canada while others join an underground rebellion against the Superhero Initiative, which appears to be headed by Spider-Man and Luke Cage. They are last seen with Cage complementing Spidey's suit, and we are shown the inevitable truth: Spider-Man is back in black.

 

[Vigilance]

Im not sure what about the wiki passage you quote equates to "going bad".

He's against forced superhero registration and he wasn't able to save Aunt May. Sounds like good (okay, Chaotic Good maybe, but still Good) and not being Madrox to me.

 

[FunkBGR]

Hey -

Anything, and I mean *ANYTHING* that causes more people to buy comics is good in my book. They'll buy, and they'll judge. And then if they like, they'll buy more, or they might buy another series.

That's good - so I'm glad Marvel put the spin on it so that CNN and places picked it up.