They Killed Cap!

[Cthulhudrew]

We need to start a pool to see how long he stays dead.

I say he's back by December.

Ed Brubaker, who's writing the Cap book currently, has just said that a planned six-issue arc has now blossomed into 9 issues, so I'd say that long at least. 9 months (or, given Marvel's delays of late, possibly longer).

Steve Rogers probably won't be back as Cap until 2008 sometime, but he will be back, of course. Not the first time he's been "dead".

What I don't follow is why CNN and other media outlets fall for this junk.

Probably because, in this case, they can try and connect the dots to the whole Iraq War/9-11/Patriotic stories that abound in the news, given the nature of the Captain America character.

Is this any less newsworthy than, say, Anna Nicole Smith's death/disposal of her remains? Or Paris Hilton's latest debacle of the week?

 

[Matchstick]

This is exactly what worries me.

Today's comics are full of characters who are willing to perform small evils to fight greater ones; characters for whom the ends justify the means.

Cap is one of the last, rare few who actually stand for the "hero" part of superhero. Comic books need more like him (and Spidey, and Superman), not fewer.

QFT.

This is why Cap is one of my favorites. I don't think he'll stay dead though, I'm actually going to bet he didn't die at all, that's it's some faked death that will allow him to lead the resistance without worrying about being tracked down. Possibly even done without his consent.

Just give it six or eight months, and then start watching for a shadowy figure to start appearing in different Marvel books.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Remember: in comics, nobody major stays dead.

 

[Ghostwind]

Having just read Civil War: The Initiative, it's revealed there that Cap isn't dead but is on life support fighting for his life. So much for lasting drama. Kill him and resurrect him in the same frakin' week. Marvel continues to disappoint me in every title except Moon Knight.

 

[BOZ]

the death of Superman should have taught the world that comic book deaths are a dime a dozen.

 

[Grymar]

I'm not a serious comic book fan, but I do read occasional ones. With that in mind, I've heard a lot of hate about Civil War on the internet. Why? I read a few of the early ones borrowed from a friend and I thought it was an interesting idea.

I'm not arguing, I'm asking from my own ignorance...why the hate on the Civil War series?

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Having just read Civil War: The Initiative, it's revealed there that Cap isn't dead but is on life support fighting for his life. So much for lasting drama. Kill him and resurrect him in the same frakin' week. Marvel continues to disappoint me in every title except Moon Knight.

Actually, I believe that's a timeline strangeness.

From everything I've been able to find out, the Initiative story where that's said is actually in the MIDDLE of Cap 25...the end of which shows Rogers' body in the morgue, and definitely not being kept alive.

EDIT: Oh, and on the note of the hate on Civil War...this is the internet. People will hate on pretty much everything to a degree that is far beyond what the actual reception of something usually is. I, personally, have LOVED Civil War and have been a Marvel fan for sooooo very long...and everyone I know that has read it has also loved it.

 

[Villano]

Normally, I'd dismiss it as nothing more than "The Death of Superman", i.e., a typical comic books story (a hero is "killed", but will eventually return) that got blown out of proportion by the media. However, considering Quesada's run (or should I say "ruin") of Marvel, I don't know what to expect. He's said many stupid things and then claimed that he was just starting false rumors. One story is that he wanted to reveal that Peter Parker was sexually abused by Uncle Ben. I think he was actually serious about this because the story was apparently leaked by Marvel editors who were freaked out by the idea. It's possible the editors were part of a rumor plot, but I think that would have come out by now.

There's also the "Iron Cap" rumor. A cover by Marc Silverstri surfaced featuring a red, white, and blue Iron Man, holding an American flag in one hand and Cap's shield in the other. The rumor, however, is that they're going to kill off Cap and reveal that the Cap we've known all these years was a clone and the "real" Steve Rogers was secretly Iron Man all this time.

Personally, I'm guessing that Tony will take over as Cap or put someone else in the armor. Although, I wouldn't be shocked if they reveal that Cap was killed in WW2 and "our" Cap was a clone. Or that Tony clones Cap to create a Captain America more in line with his viewpoint.

I don't know. Quesada is full of so many bad ideas, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

 

[jonathan swift]

The problems people had with Civil War are numerous. A few big ones are writing characters completely different than how they have been written in the past (evil fascist Stark and Richards?). The fact that the pro-Reg side did absolutely nothing that a "hero" would do and somehow comes out in the end of the fight as having the moral high ground. People are upset because Marvel took their favorite characters and essentially performed character assassination on the whole lot of them in order to tell a not very compelling story that was done just to make a political point. Imagine if you will someone writing a Smurfs movie or something where Papa Smurf ends up joining forces with Gargamel to kill off undesirable Smurfs because they don't fit Papa's agenda and in the end Papa is made out to be the good guy.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I don't know. Quesada is full of so many bad ideas, I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

So true. Him, JMS, and Bendis drove me from Marvel.

The problems people had with Civil War are numerous. A few big ones are writing characters completely different than how they have been written in the past (evil fascist Stark and Richards?). The fact that the pro-Reg side did absolutely nothing that a "hero" would do and somehow comes out in the end of the fight as having the moral high ground. People are upset because Marvel took their favorite characters and essentially performed character assassination on the whole lot of them in order to tell a not very compelling story that was done just to make a political point. Imagine if you will someone writing a Smurfs movie or something where Papa Smurf ends up joining forces with Gargamel to kill off undesirable Smurfs because they don't fit Papa's agenda and in the end Papa is made out to be the good guy.

I agree. Reading this story it was obvious that long established characters were just totally switched just to fit this ill conceived plot.

And not only that, it deeply touches every single book outside of Ultimate stuff. Now every hero is either a gov't stooge or an outlaw. No thanks.