Thrown Weapon Seeker with nothing to throw...

[Herschel]

My only issue now is the Githzerai throwing Seeker I am trying to build doesn't get any use out of his racial heavy blade feat outside of a melee basic with an off-hand weapon.

 

[Lord Ernie]

My only issue now is the Githzerai throwing Seeker I am trying to build doesn't get any use out of his racial heavy blade feat outside of a melee basic with an off-hand weapon.

How about a Farbond Spellblade? You're forced to use a specific weapon enhancement, true, but that way you can throw a fullblade at people. Which, let's be honest, is awesome.

 

[Herschel]

Yeah, not going to work. The DM for that campaign (as well as when I DM) don't just hand out cheese at every turn. It would be a long time until I could go that route and I don't want to be dependent on getting a single item.

 

[Grimgrin]

I'm not aware of any erratta to this effect, but I think that in the case of the seeker all military thrown weapons should be included in the seeker's weapon proficiencies. This makes sense to me both logically, mechanically, and based the artistic depictions of the class in PH3.

 

[Herschel]

Military yes, but the only throwing blade is the dagger, which is light. The Drow Long Knife is a heavy thrown blade but is Superior, not standard military, and not covered by the Githzerai Racial Feat. Conversely, Dwarves get Axes with their racial boost, including the throwing axe, and do get the boost to a thrown weapon. If the Gith Racial Feat worked with even the Long Knife feat it would be fine (because there is a +1 proficiency bonus with teh knife vs. the hand axe), but it doesn't.

 

[Grimgrin]

Military yes, but the only throwing blade is the dagger, which is light. The Drow Long Knife is a heavy thrown blade but is Superior, not standard military, and not covered by the Githzerai Racial Feat. Conversely, Dwarves get Axes with their racial boost, including the throwing axe, and do get the boost to a thrown weapon. If the Gith Racial Feat worked with even the Long Knife feat it would be fine (because there is a +1 proficiency bonus with teh knife vs. the hand axe), but it doesn't.

Logically, if a race has a preference for heavy blades and wishes to use a heavy blade as a thrown weapon they would develop such a weapon.

There are two "real world" thrown weapons that I can think of that fit within the heavy blade group, but are not yet described in any 4E book I have seen; The mambele (African throwing iron) and the chakram (razor edged iron or bronze discus).

As military weapons: Prof: +2, Dam: 1d6, Rng: 6/12, Price: 10gp, W: 3lbs, Group: Heavy Blade, Prop: Heavy Thrown. (similar to the Xen'drik boomerang but no automatic return with proficiency)
As superior weapons: Ditto except Prof: +3.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Logically, if a race has a preference for heavy blades and wishes to use a heavy blade as a thrown weapon, they would develop such a weapon.

There are two "real world" thrown weapons that I can think of that fit within the heavy blade group and are not yet described in any 4E book I have seen.

The mambele (African throwing knife) and the chakram (razor edged discus). If you were to allow either of these two weapons as "military" (I.E.: Prof: +2, 1d6, Rng 6/12, Wt: 2 lbs, Off hand, Heavy Thrown).

To be fair, the chakram varies in size from something you could palm to something you can wear as a necklace...as was seen on [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDNw2slOK3Y"]Weapon Masters.[/ame]

 

[renau1g]

Yeah, not going to work. The DM for that campaign (as well as when I DM) don't just hand out cheese at every turn. It would be a long time until I could go that route and I don't want to be dependent on getting a single item.

Just curious, but why do you feel it's cheese? You're forced to give up your weapon enhancement for it. There are tons of awesome weapons out there, but you have to use this enchantment. Seems exactly the basis for it.

 

[Herschel]

Because any build that relies on one certain, specific enchantment is cheese. A good build works with most enchantments and isn't reliant on them but can be enhanced by them.

 

[chorolus]

I know most of this thread has been discussion over the limited weapon selection throwing seekers have, but as for giving your seeker a bit of a damage boost, what about a Hybrid Ranger/Seeker that's using two thrown weapons with Twin Strike? Granted you would be giving up the chance to use one of your controller-type At-Will attacks to use Twin Strike, but for me it would be a fair compromise for the dps versus controller argument.