Tiger companion - loads of clawy goodness?
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RigaMortus
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Wippit Guud said:
What? Common sense in 3E? That must be a 10th level spell, huh?
Mal Malenkirk
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I have an awakened tiger IMC.
To keep it short and sweet, I allow pounce when the opponent is flat footed or unaware of the presence of the tiger.
Of course, this isn't what the book says. By my interpretation the tiger might be unable to pounce at all if he is ambushed. But then again, he might be able to pounce more than once in a fight if he gains surprises and roll high for his initiative.
I did this because I wanted a clear rule and because I felt pounce was a hunter schtick, not a one shot special bonus you gain once a fight on round 1.
To keep it short and sweet, I allow pounce when the opponent is flat footed or unaware of the presence of the tiger.
Of course, this isn't what the book says. By my interpretation the tiger might be unable to pounce at all if he is ambushed. But then again, he might be able to pounce more than once in a fight if he gains surprises and roll high for his initiative.
I did this because I wanted a clear rule and because I felt pounce was a hunter schtick, not a one shot special bonus you gain once a fight on round 1.
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Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
kreynolds said:
Did you see my description above of the tiger in the room, and PCs are about to enter? If the PCs don't surprise the tiger, and if initiative gets rolled a little early (with the tiger prowling around in the room and waiting to pounce), then the tiger doesn't get to pounce: the first round of combat is spent prepping. If, however, the PCs surprise the tiger, then it gets to pounce. That doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Daniel
Epametheus
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Ummm... How the hell does being aware of a tiger deny it the ability to leap on you and rip your guts out?
How my own group dealt with the poor wording of the ability was to simply chuck the "in the 1st round of combat" part of it, and made it such that a cat can pounce whenever it charges. Which is pretty strong (one of the lessons learned in that campaign is that human fighters cannot hold their own against animal-growthed Dire Lions (though one of the DMs kept trying, anyways...)), as Pounce was now a viable option for the entire combat, but it's also nice and clear.
Of course, I figure most of the DMs here would balk at the notion of "making something easy to handle by making it better," but I figured I'd share.
How my own group dealt with the poor wording of the ability was to simply chuck the "in the 1st round of combat" part of it, and made it such that a cat can pounce whenever it charges. Which is pretty strong (one of the lessons learned in that campaign is that human fighters cannot hold their own against animal-growthed Dire Lions (though one of the DMs kept trying, anyways...)), as Pounce was now a viable option for the entire combat, but it's also nice and clear.
Of course, I figure most of the DMs here would balk at the notion of "making something easy to handle by making it better," but I figured I'd share.
Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
Hmm...another reworking of the phrasing of pounce:
A creature with pounce may make a full attack as its first attack in a combat, even if it has made a move action that round.
I think that's simple and models how felines behave. A cat may not leap into the middle of an ongoing fray, but will maneuver sneakily closer and closer until she sees an opening; then she'll pounce.
Daniel
A creature with pounce may make a full attack as its first attack in a combat, even if it has made a move action that round.
I think that's simple and models how felines behave. A cat may not leap into the middle of an ongoing fray, but will maneuver sneakily closer and closer until she sees an opening; then she'll pounce.
Daniel
Mal Malenkirk
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Epametheus said:
By raising your guard. If you are aware of an opponent you don't leave as many opening.
And yes, your solution is out of the question. It's too strong, especially at high level when a fight often involves a lot of participants and can last awhile.
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