TN version of monk ki strike

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I've been thinking lately about monks, and specifically the alignment restrictions. While the lawful-only restriction makes sense if you think of monks as studying rigorously in a temple or dojo, I feel like that only captures one kind of monk, and you could easily have monks that follow non-lawful alignments. What's important is the philosophical/mystical aspect, the search for enlightenment, and that can take a lot of different forms. For instance, a chaotic monk might pursue enlightenment through an individualistic path of personal reflection and introspection rather than following strict guidelines passed down by a particular tradition.

Long story short, I think it makes sense to waive the alignment restriction on monks. Of course, if you do that, the lawful-aligned ki strike doesn't necessarily make sense. For most alignments it would be simple enough to replace it with whatever your alignment is, but that doesn't quite work for a true neutral monk. What sort of benefit might you give a true neutral monk in place of an aligned ki strike? There's not much else for bypassing DR that would make sense -- the only major DR types that aren't alignment-based and that monk doesn't already get ki strike options to bypass are silver and cold iron, neither of which particularly makes sense for TN. I imagine a TN monk would be more of a "middle way" type neutral than an apathetic neutral, and since silver and cold iron are generally associated with fighting either lawful or chaotic creatures (respectively) it seems that giving the TN monk one of those would "unbalance" things a bit, and giving both wouldn't be balanced well with other alignments. Ghost touch might be an option, but it strikes me as a bit less useful than gaining an alignment to bypass DR.

Thoughts?
 

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This is actually, a very valid question. I'm a big fan of waiving the alignment restrictions of monks myself, for exactly the reasons you posted, but I never really thought about this aspect of the issue.

Most people I know would dismiss the issue, stating that a TN character isn't devoted enough to become a monk (bar the alignment, solve the problem,) but I don't think that's quite the way to do it either. You could argue that a TN monk is devoted to themselves over any other concept, and as such is following the path of enlightenment more truely than any other alignment of monk.

I'll have to think on this. I agree that giving them the ability to choose their alignment damage is overpowering in comparison, and ghost touch does seem a bit weak in comparison.

Kudos for a thought provoking question.
 

Let's try to break this down for comparison- my brain works better when I can see things and mess with them visually.

A Lawful monk would gain Ki Strike (Law)

A Good monk would gain Ki Strike (Good)

A Chaotic monk would gain Ki Strike (Chaos)

and an Evil monk would gain Ki Strike (Evil) right?

This could be read something along the lines that a monk's fists each gain the +2 alignment based Weapon Special Ability from page 223 in the DMG, minus the extra damage. (Anarchic, Axiomatic, Holy, and Unholy)

The largest issue here is that you're trying to deal with alignment based damage reduction, and there is no DR 5/Neutral alignment based DR.

How often is an alignment based DR used?

Would substituting it for something like Silver or another non-alignment based DR work? Ghost touch is decent, but it's a bit more situational than the other; would a combination of Silver and Ghost touch be feasable? (effectively giving your fists a +2 effect)
 
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A True Neutral attack would do extra damage against "extreme" alignments, those that are not part Neutral...

If that's the case, then why would anyone want to play a non-TN monk? They'd have more flexibility to strike through DR for four different types of aligned creatures, while the others are limited to only three types.

Also, a Ki strike doesn't do 'extra damage' in the first place, it's just alignment based DR evasion. If they did do damage, then the simplest route would be to tack on a +2 effect onto the TN Ki strike at that level.

On that note, a high level monk with Shadowstrike fists would be an interesting concept.

Arms and Equipment Guide said:
Shadowstrike: A shadowstrike weapon can reach
through the wielder’s own shadows to catch foes off
guard. Once per day, the wielder can make such an
attack. The weapon reaches 5 feet farther than
normal, and the target is denied its Dexterity bonus
to AC for this attack. To make a shadowstrike attack,
the weapon must be illuminated by a light source or
be outside on a day bright enough to cast shadows.
Caster Level: 15th; Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms
and Armor, shadow walk, shadow conjuration; Market
Price: +2 bonus.
 

A True Neutral attack would do extra damage against "extreme" alignments, those that are not part Neutral...

If that's the case, then why would anyone want to play a non-TN monk? They'd have more flexibility to strike through DR for four different types of aligned creatures, while the others are limited to only three types.

Also, a Ki strike doesn't do 'extra damage' in the first place, it's just alignment based DR evasion. If they did do damage, then the simplest route would be to tack on a +2 effect onto the TN Ki strike at that level.

Maybe flat extra damage wouldn't be a great idea, but what about giving +5 damage against extreme-aligned enemies with DR that your attack doesn't bypass? Since you're only partially mitigating the DR rather than bypassing it completely, that would compensate for the increased versatility.
 

We can quibble about the numbers, but I think my principle works, it makes sense that a person dedicated to balance would be equally against all extremes...
 

An idea just struck me for a non-alignment-based ki strike variant: how about a ki strike that lets you penetrate miss chance due to concealment and similar effects, like Blur and Displacement? Call it "seeking strike" or "uncanny strike" or something. Could either make it work like Blind-Fight, or function as a flat subtraction (say, -10% or 15%) from the percent chance to miss.

I'd say the flat deduction would be best, because otherwise it might be a bit too much better than an aligned ki strike.
 


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