Frostmarrow
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It is with great sadness I have to inform you that the toad familiar has been downgraded in 3.5E. Instead of adding +2 to Con it gives a flat +3 hit point bonus. 
Toad Got Nerfed!
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John Crichton
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It's probably a change for the better. +2 to CON was almost too good. Adds to the ability score (which gives and additional HP per level, which is huge), adds to the concentration skill and boosts the Fort save. Better than any other familiar in that reguard. I have personally abused this and I have to agree with the change for balance reasons...
It's just too bad that one of my current characters has one. I wonder how the DM will handle it...
It's just too bad that one of my current characters has one. I wonder how the DM will handle it...
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John Crichton
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Kai Lord said:
As long as the rest of the scene is cheezy, count me in.
Gez
First Post
Yay! No I will no longer have remorse about not abusing it!
On the other hand, since that effect is basically Toughness, will multiclassed dwarven Fighter X/Sorcerer 1 claims to qualify for the Dwarven Defender class because their toad give them that crappy Toughness feat ?
By the way, I'd like the +2 Spot & Listen thing to be reworded as the Sage said. "Familiars may use the Aid Another action for helping their master's Spot and Listen check when they are withing arm's reach. They can do this as a free action. They take 10, and are considered to always succeed, thus giving the master a +2 bonus to Spot and Listen check."
Why ? Because of certain players that insist they don't need to take the Alertness feat to qualify for so-or-so PrC, since they have it through the familiar... On the other hand, that would make killing said familiar so much less fun.
On the other hand, since that effect is basically Toughness, will multiclassed dwarven Fighter X/Sorcerer 1 claims to qualify for the Dwarven Defender class because their toad give them that crappy Toughness feat ?
By the way, I'd like the +2 Spot & Listen thing to be reworded as the Sage said. "Familiars may use the Aid Another action for helping their master's Spot and Listen check when they are withing arm's reach. They can do this as a free action. They take 10, and are considered to always succeed, thus giving the master a +2 bonus to Spot and Listen check."
Why ? Because of certain players that insist they don't need to take the Alertness feat to qualify for so-or-so PrC, since they have it through the familiar... On the other hand, that would make killing said familiar so much less fun.
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Li Shenron
Legend
Gez said:
I suppose it would be a good DM's act to remind the player that every time his familiar goes out of his arm's reach for a quick trip to the toilet, he loses all his PRCl's special abilities.
I liked the Toad Familiar as it was: giving the best bonus and being completely unuseful at anything else.
LightPhoenix
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You know, I saw this and was fully expecting it to be about Toad from the Super Mario games...
Dagger75
Epic Commoner
As a DM I would make my players keep there toad famaliers, but since EVERY spellcaster that has ever been in my game, I have only had to deal with only 1 famalier.
The halfling Sorcerer had a weasel famalier. I had drow brake into there Inn and shot them all with sleep darts including the weasel and then tied them up. They had info I wanted, the sorcerer wouldn't talk, Mr Weasel got thrown into the fire. The look on the players face. They still didn't talk but nobody ever took a famalier after that.
And toads being useless. Well I mean what does a toad really do? Eat bugs and stuff. I guess you could have swim around for you.
"Now Clyde-frog, I need you swim to the bottom of the lake and see if the big green dragon lives down there. No no dragon's won't eat you, you are a harmless frog, now go!!"
OR
" I am going to sit you here Clyde-frog, outside in the bushes. The rogue will hide on the roof. Croak twice when the man with the fire covered wings and human head necklace comes out the door. No this won't be like the time I had you swim down to see if the dragon lived at them bottom of the lake, this thing doesn't have a breath weapon, I think."
Or I guess a Frog would be good at running through traffic, onto the sidewalk, avoiding the snake, jump from log to an alligator and safely to its lily pad.
The halfling Sorcerer had a weasel famalier. I had drow brake into there Inn and shot them all with sleep darts including the weasel and then tied them up. They had info I wanted, the sorcerer wouldn't talk, Mr Weasel got thrown into the fire. The look on the players face. They still didn't talk but nobody ever took a famalier after that.
And toads being useless. Well I mean what does a toad really do? Eat bugs and stuff. I guess you could have swim around for you.
"Now Clyde-frog, I need you swim to the bottom of the lake and see if the big green dragon lives down there. No no dragon's won't eat you, you are a harmless frog, now go!!"
OR
" I am going to sit you here Clyde-frog, outside in the bushes. The rogue will hide on the roof. Croak twice when the man with the fire covered wings and human head necklace comes out the door. No this won't be like the time I had you swim down to see if the dragon lived at them bottom of the lake, this thing doesn't have a breath weapon, I think."
Or I guess a Frog would be good at running through traffic, onto the sidewalk, avoiding the snake, jump from log to an alligator and safely to its lily pad.
