Mustrum_Ridcully
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2d20 girl? Totally unrealistic value. That would allow talking to up to 40 girls. No matter what Diplomacy skill and Will Save you have, no mortal gamer can talk to that many women at once! Did they even playtest these rules?
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Took Enemy Fire in Edition Wars
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Because angling to be Jerry Sandusky's roommate makes more sense how?
Mustrum_Ridcully
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You're more likely not a true gamer.
I've been accused of that too as I like 4E and have never played a MMO and never bought any system past Super Nintendo.
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Tony Vargas
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Yep, the anti-4e crowd did not limit their campaign to the internet. The first local convention I went to after 4e came out, I played in a number of 4e games, since I was enjoying it, and that first year, /every one of them/ had at least one guy who was just there to rag on the new ed. It was like they were working from a script. "I thought I'd try 4e." "Wow this really lacks any kind of choices." "Wow this feels like a board game." "I'm surprised how little this resembles D&D." Etc. What really clinched it was when /the same guy/ I'd seen do that early in the weekend sat down and did it again : said he was trying 4e for the first time, and again acted 'surprised' at how bad it was. Amazing.
You get it at stores, at tables playing other games, wherever the topic seems remotely germane, they'll snipe with a "4e, that was a nice tactical boardgame" or "I already play WoW, I don't need 4e" or some other spurious bit of snark that you /know/ is false and could only be motivated by active malice.
And it hasn't gone away. The last con I went to wasn't even a gaming convention, it was steampunk but there were some games. One was "Girl Genius" using 'd20.' It was so successful there was an 'encore performance' of it - Girl Genius is popular with the steampunk crowd, doubly so where it crosses over with gamers. Three or four of the folks having fun at those games took the opportunity to state their preference for 3.5 and drop the standard-issue unfounded criticisms of 4e. The ironic bit: the 'Girl Genius d20' they were having a blast with was little more than a heavily-re-skinned 4e, with all the races/classes, skill/power names and keywords/conditions victorianized.
Ultimately, I think the edition wars are mostly about perceived 'betrayal' vs brand-loyalty, nostalgia vs enthusiasm for the new, and other mostly emotional/irrational reasons. The real differences between 3.5 and 4e aren't that extreme (they're both 'd20' at bottom), and neither are the legitimate reasons to prefer one over the other.
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This sounds awesome! is there any chance she'll publish this in any form?
Fifth Element
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Good post. Can't XP you etc.
Texicles
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Frankly, I think we've had it too good lately. We need some good old-fashioned persecution of role-playing to remind us that the real war is not between editions, but between gamers and non-gamers.
I know this is a joke, but there's some legitimacy to the point. Tabletop RPGers aren't the only divided community. There's division within MMOs, division between shooters and non-shooters, console vs. pc, et. al. and all of it can get shockingly vitriolic, considering that, at the end of the day, all of us are just a bunch of freakin' nerds. But, since nerdy is becoming cool, I guess even jerks are letting the nerd flag fly.
Though, in all honesty, I'm not super keen to return to the bad old days either. I'll never forget when I busted out my AD&D books during some downtime on a Boy Scout trip and this extra religious older kid told me I should put those away because they involved magic, and his theological understanding was that magic was badwrongfun. Some people's kids, right?
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