Tragedy at Silvergard OOC Thread

[Arkhandus]

Uh, unless there's MM2 errata saying Nimblewrights are immune to fire damage, they aren't. They're not Golems, so they don't have outright Magic Immunity like Golems, just Spell Resistance. Thus their Vulnerabilities are just extra penalties they suffer from certain effects, not in place of the damage those effects already deal. It doesn't say that they are stunned by fire for 1 round instead of taking damage, for instance. It just says that fire damage stuns them for 1 round. Their statblock doesn't list any fire immunity.

I didn't bother looking this up before, but when you said that Corath was stunned by the Burning Hands spell but not damaged, it made me wonder. Nimblewrights are animated by water elementals, not earth elementals, so they're not in the same general group as Golems, thus their different properties. Up till now it had been at least a year or two since I had last glanced at the Nimblewright entry.

In-character, Alaric probably doesn't know the properties of Nimblewrights (I dunno), but he cast Burning Hands because it was the strongest of his few spells at the moment.

 

[crazy_monkey1956]

However, the caster level check to beat the Spell Resistance failed. So, the vulnerability still applies, but the damage is negated.

 

[Jemal]

Hmm, that seems wrong. If they're stunned by fire damage, then the SR check not beating the SR means it didn't take fire damaage and thus wasn't stunned. (I probably shouldn't be pointing this out, for our sakes...) unless it says 'even if the fire doesn't beat their SR'. don't know, never read nimblewrights, but in all the cases I've seen of SR, failing the check means the spell has no effect.

 

[Arkhandus]

Right. If my caster level check didn't beat her spell resistance, then my spell has absolutely no effect on her.

But I find it pretty ridiculous if she actually has SR 15 or more as a 1st or 2nd-level character. Even Drow have only 11 + level in SR, and that ability comprises the majority of their +2 Level Adjustment. If Corath is a damaged/drained Nimblewright that's somewhere roughly around our level at present, then she shouldn't have the crazy 27 or so SR of a 10-HD standard Nimblewright. Even 15 SR is awfully significant for a 1st or 2nd level creature, and shouldn't be there without at least 1 or 2 points of level adjustment factored in. At 1/10th of a standard Nimblewright's HD, it ought to be 2 or 3 SR, or 5 points at 2nd-level, if no level adjustment is there yet.

Spell Resistance 15 at 1st-level would be 70% immunity to spells, 65% at 2nd-level, from casters of equal level. On top of saving throws, which have their own 5% chance + modifiers.

 

[Jemal]

Well, the ghost-chick stated she was unlocking the nimblewrights power - whatever that means - and this IS a boss fight(I believe it was quoted as being THE boss fight), she's probably the equivalent of a lvl 4+ character. I expect without excellent strategy/luck a couple of us will bite the dust.

 

[crazy_monkey1956]

From a rules perspective, the nimblewright vulnerabilities are actually worded poorly and a bit vague, so I model how they work on Golems, that is, the vulnerability functions even if the nimblewright is otherwise not affected due to SR.

A nimblewright is normally CR 7. There are some mitigating circumstances to this fight that make it winnable (though with possible losses, as Jemal pointed out).

 

[Yttermayn]

Arkhandus, do you have more of those fire spells I hope?

 

[Voda Vosa]

Say, 5 fire hand spells ready?

 

[Arkhandus]

With respect, that's not how it works, because Nimblewrights lack the Magic Immunity described under golems, and so has no clause in its description stating exceptions. They're not listed as golems (MM2 has a golem section, and they're not in that section, so the general golem traits don't apply). They just have SR and a separate set of Vulnerabilities, that do not say anything about replacing damage. Of course I don't mind much if you're houseruling it differently, it's just not in the RAW.

And if Azilyk is making Corath more or less equivalent to her original power, then we're doomed. A CR or EL 5 or more above average party level indicates a challenge with only the slightest chance of anyone surviving, and that's assuming they're at full power beforehand.

Alaric is out of spells aside from one apparently-useless Disrupt Undead and I think an Acid Splash. His Magic Weapon spell ran out during the wait of the Entangle. Others are already injured IIRC from the orc-fight or the first part of the Corath fight.

Since we never had a proper Rogues' Gallery thread, and I kept forgetting to update Alaric's sheet, I'll have to search around for the old thread and see what scrolls or alchemical junk Alaric might've made in town earlier, since those are the only things he might be able use in this fight.

 

[Yttermayn]

Here's a link to the old thread, hope it helps...

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=197553