crazy_monkey1956
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That might be possible. 
Either that or I could give the Nimblewright a penalty somewhere...not sure where though.
Either that or I could give the Nimblewright a penalty somewhere...not sure where though.
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Arkhandus
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Both superior to standard races, especially the revised nimblewright, I'd say. No point in half-orcs or elves with those two "race" around at LA +0.
It'd also make nimblewrights and centaurs a lot less interesting. Artificers don't build horribly expensive magical constructs and invest them with vast enough magical forces to give them animation and some degree of sentience or whatnot, let alone additional magical properties, just to then spend more time and money paying stupid soldiers to train the constructs until they're eventually the equal of any random bum the wizard could Charm or Dominate off the street and press into service. Charming or Dominating a veteran soldier who already has those skills would be a heck of a lot easier, faster, and cheaper.
It'd also make nimblewrights and centaurs a lot less interesting. Artificers don't build horribly expensive magical constructs and invest them with vast enough magical forces to give them animation and some degree of sentience or whatnot, let alone additional magical properties, just to then spend more time and money paying stupid soldiers to train the constructs until they're eventually the equal of any random bum the wizard could Charm or Dominate off the street and press into service. Charming or Dominating a veteran soldier who already has those skills would be a heck of a lot easier, faster, and cheaper.
Yttermayn
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I wouldn't mind a LA of 1 or something to "pay" for it if folks feel that the centaur race is 'superior'. It would just be nice to have something to counter having the disadvantages of large size, since the centaur dosn't seem to get any large size advantages. Other creatures of large size all seem to have a much better strength than +2, not to mention reach and stuff.
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crazy_monkey1956
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Arkhandus
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Well, you do get the grappling, tripping, bull rushing, etc. bonuses for Large size, the Stability bonus for having four legs, and the higher movement speed than normal. While it probably doesn't quite make up for the -1 to attacks and AC, -4 Hide, and more expensive armor, the other racial traits already make them slightly better than half-orcs. Overall, it may be just a tad better than a half-orc, but it's still enough that a half-orc PC would be rather pointless.
And anyway, as I said, I'd still rather see such races treated as powerfully as they're supposed to be, rather than beaten with the nerf bat until they've no real advantage over the smaller humans. Anyone who's as big as a horse or bigger ought to be stronger and tougher than a human, hands down. Centaurs ought to have more strength and constitution, like the ones in the Monster Manual and Savage Species.
And anyway, as I said, I'd still rather see such races treated as powerfully as they're supposed to be, rather than beaten with the nerf bat until they've no real advantage over the smaller humans. Anyone who's as big as a horse or bigger ought to be stronger and tougher than a human, hands down. Centaurs ought to have more strength and constitution, like the ones in the Monster Manual and Savage Species.
crazy_monkey1956
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What I'm really shooting for is something that keeps the flavor of the race without all of the cumbersome racial HD and LA.
We could drop the PC Centaur to Medium, which should fix the balance issues.
We could drop the PC Centaur to Medium, which should fix the balance issues.
Voda Vosa
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Yttermayn
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That's awesome!
Back to the question at hand: Arkhandus has some great points. I really cringe at the idea of nerfing Aohdan. I'll just have to wait until 7th level to start adding another class. I realize that not having psion powers until then is going to make me a really pointless psion, but oh well. The important thing is the character and who he is. He just dosn't feel like Aohdan as a puny little four legged freak. He is a robust centaur, struggling with strange mental things going on that he dosn't understand. If the one mind sees fit to invest some odd abilities or quirks into Aohdan and it accents the character's flavor, that's all good. I would be happy to take some psion feats that give him some unusual abilities, but I just don't think I can sacrifice his centaurness, size and all, for psion ability.
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Arkhandus
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You could do something like what I've allowed in one or two games I've DMed. Allow a monster race to multiclass before they finish their 'savage progression', but still able to resume that savage progression when desired. I allowed a Satyr Druid in one game who just took his 1st Satyr racial level, then the rest of his levels were in Druid, at least to start.
crazy_monkey1956
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Hmm, that makes some sense too.
Monstrous Multi-Classing, yea or ney?
Monstrous Multi-Classing, yea or ney?
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