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TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are). The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time...

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 

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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Yes, well, if the dumpster fire stops sending out new sparks of interesting colors, we get distracted.

....THEN WE MUST CREATE A NEW DUMPSTER FIRE!!!!!!

As Mama Snarf always told me, "Boy, if you can't be a part of the solution, become a part of the problem. Now, get your mama her brandy and her laudanum."
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
TBF, if it wasn't for social media, Justin and Ernie and Mike might just be like all those "couple of guys with a cheap booth at Gen Con" outfits of yesteryear, hawking.... wait.

Crap. They'd have to have a product.

Nevermind.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Getting back on track, I just REALLY wonder what NewTSR's gameplan is here!

They've not only opened themselves up to having to pay attorney's fees (a very real possibility because of the nature of the complaint), if WoTC gets serious they've opened themselves up to discovery (likely not limited to just the LLC but to the personal stuff of the officers of the LLC)!

And from the shadiness on just the surface, there's bound to be some seriously shady stuff going on underneath.

I suspect the true answer is "these are not smart people..." - but we will see, maybe I'm missing something.
 


Bolares

Hero
Getting back on track, I just REALLY wonder what NewTSR's gameplan is here!

They've not only opened themselves up to having to pay attorney's fees (a very real possibility because of the nature of the complaint), if WoTC gets serious they've opened themselves up to discovery (likely not limited to just the LLC but to the personal stuff of the officers of the LLC)!

And from the shadiness on just the surface, there's bound to be some seriously shady stuff going on underneath.

I suspect the true answer is "these are not smart people..." - but we will see, maybe I'm missing something.
Bold of you to assume they have a game plan
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Never had much problem with Facebook but I bare use it. I'm a member of a handful of groups. D&D ones localized to New Zealand and a moderated one for a TV show.

Pretty much all my friends are real life ones which mostly means New Zealanders.

There's a handful of non Kiwi people on it.

Joined 2009 or so barely used it until 2020 and lockdown. I barely post anything and idk how to share stuff as I never do.

I did post something last year it was rare enough old school friends commented on it.

So yeah I mostly use it to talk to my sister pretty much the last of what's left of my family (all 3 of them), and old school friends and similar so if they're in town or vice versa I might go out for dinner with them.

It's a tool. A shovel is useful some people use it as a weapon. Pick ur poison.
 

Sir Brennen

Legend
No. It is just recognition of the point that you are making use of a shared virtual space to get more readers - people who you'd not ever have contact information for to e-mail them. You connect with people here ever day without e-mailing them, texting them, making a video call, or whatever. EN World is just a small, subject specific facebook.

The overall utility of such a thing comes with burdens - like a need to monetize the thing. And how you get some real gems of numbskulls and jerks from time to time.
ENWorld is a small, subject specific version of what most people perceive Facebook to be.

But it's really not. At all. It's like saying a frying pan is a smaller version of a dragon because you can cook eggs on both.
 


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