D&D (2024) Two Spells, One Turn Confusion Never Dies

[beaumontsebos]

The PHB 2024 it now states regarding spell casting:

"On a turn, you can expend only one spell slot to cast a spell. This rule means you can't, for example, cast a spell with a spell slot using the magic action and another one using a Bonus Action on the same turn."

This nicely clarifies the clunky way the "two spell per turn" rule was rolled out in 2014. But I think this new wording means that a spellcaster could use a bonus action to cast a spell using a spell slot, then use a Wand (or some other item) as an action to cast another spell that would normally use a spell slot,

Previously, Jeremy Crawford stated that no matter where the spell casting came from... only one "levelled" spell could be used per turn.

But now, since the wording has shifted focus to whether or not you are blowing a spell slot, it seems that Sage Advice is moot.

Am I right? What say you?

 

[ezo]

Am I right? What say you?

I say you should change the flare to D&D (2024) and not D&D 5E since your intent seems to be addressing the rules in the new PHB?



Otherwise, I would say you are correct. Bonus action for misty step and then Magic action for Wand of Fireballs seems to work.

 

[TwoSix]

Heh. I was literally just talking on Discord with my group about how much I hate that rule. We're going to ignore it for our next game.

 

[Mort]

2024 has introduced quite a few instances of casting spells without using slots, so yes, this change seems 100% intentional.

 

[ECMO3]

Yes they took something that was confusing and made it even more confusing.

I think the reason why is the Fey Warlock specifically. It would have been easy to say you can only cast one spell of level 1+ on a turn. Simple, elegant, easy to understand. However that means no Fey Warlock Misty-stepping around every turn and casting a spell.

 

[ECMO3]

Heh. I was literally just talking on Discord with my group about how much I hate that rule. We're going to ignore it for our next game.

The DM decided to ignore it in one of our games .... which really boosts caster power.

Another option is to just make it easier - one leveled spell per turn.

 

[Will Brandiman]

Not sure what's confusing about the new rule? Did you cast a spell that expended one of your spell slots this turn? Then you may not cast another spell this turn if it expends one of your spell slots. If it doesn't expend one of your spell slots, knock yourself out!

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I think the new rule is much simpler than the old one.

 

[Retros_x]

Yes they took something that was confusing and made it even more confusing.

Please tell me the confusion. Its seems pretty simple to me, only one use of a spell slot per turn.

 

[abirdcall]

The PHB 2024 it now states regarding spell casting:

"On a turn, you can expend only one spell slot to cast a spell. This rule means you can't, for example, cast a spell with a spell slot using the magic action and another one using a Bonus Action on the same turn."

This nicely clarifies the clunky way the "two spell per turn" rule was rolled out in 2014. But I think this new wording means that a spellcaster could use a bonus action to cast a spell using a spell slot, then use a Wand (or some other item) as an action to cast another spell that would normally use a spell slot,

Previously, Jeremy Crawford stated that no matter where the spell casting came from... only one "levelled" spell could be used per turn.

But now, since the wording has shifted focus to whether or not you are blowing a spell slot, it seems that Sage Advice is moot.

Am I right? What say you?

I'm assuming that Sage Advice was made prior to October 2024?

You will need to disregard all previous Sage Advice if you're using a revised ruleset.