Ukraine invasion

[Umbran]

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[John R Davis]

It's certainly put us off playing with our shiny Twilight2000 boxes.

Just a sad and horrible mess we are witnessing

 

[Zardnaar]

I've been using reddit a lot. It's often an hour or so ahead of the media.

Just gotta be careful but a few links there go to things you won't see on TV as mucheg European sources or unedited video.

r/Ukraine, r/Ukraine conflict.

r/Russia was shut down,

Some video floating around is from earlier conflicts, different parts of the world etc.

CCTV cameras at the border were being livestreamed so you could watch what was driving past. Russians left them up for 30 odd hours.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mod Note:

In an effort to keep this thread open, let’s limit the discussion to humanitarian aid efforts, and minimize the actual politics side as much as humanly possible.

 

[Thunderfoot]

Things to think about, right now there are people fighting and dying. On both sides.

The soldiers (on both sides) probably don't want to be there, regardless of their world view.

The civilians caught in the middle need help and are truly casualties (regardless of whether or not they get hit by munitions spelt).

Before you make any posts about good and bad, remember that's just the politics and gets played away from the field; those in the thick of it, they just are... they are sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc. and deserve your praise or pity regardless of which 'side' they are on. To my International brothers and sisters, I bid you safety, until peace.

 

[Umbran]

those in the thick of it, they just are... they are sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc. and deserve your praise or pity regardless of which 'side' they are on.

It has been some decades since, "I was just following orders," was considered a defense for wrongdoing.

 

[Thunderfoot]

It has been some decades since, "I was just following orders," was considered a defense for wrongdoing.

Wrong doing is raping women and shootng kids in the head. Following orders to wage a war, regardless of the reason, is just following orders.

Be careful@Umbran, I may have to mod you on this one.

Seriously though, this wouldn't even go to the Geneva accords. If there was a war crimes committee held today, Mr Putin and possibly the Pres of Belarus and the Ministers of Warfare would be held, questioned and tried but the Armies at large would be free and clear. Again, the politics versus being a soldier. If you've ever worn the boots, it's hard not to be the unintentional target of politics.

 

[Smackpixi]

It has been some decades since, "I was just following orders," was considered a defense for wrongdoing.

For war crimes, yeah, for doing evil things, yeah. But for being conscripted or even willingly joining an army and fighting on a side, that excuse still works I think. Unless just being in an army is a war crime, are you saying that’s the case here?

 

[Greggy C]

Before you make any posts about good and bad, remember that's just the politics

As someone who is exhausted after fighting the Russian progangda trolls for 3 days straight, I regret opening this thread, because your perspective is maddening.

What is just politics for you when Poland was invaded?

Ukraine is fighting the worlds battle for freedom, ex military around the world are joining the fight for freedom as private citizens while you sniff and say "dont call it good or bad, its just politics".

 

[Thunderfoot]

As someone who is exhausted after fighting the Russian progangda trolls for 3 days straight, I regret opening this thread, because your perspective is maddening.

What is just politics for you when Poland was invaded?

Ukraine is fighting the worlds battle for freedom, ex military around the world are joining the fight for freedom as private citizens while you sniff and say "dont call it good or bad, its just politics".

Because politics don't belong here. When you start siding conversations here, it gets locked. My opinions don't belong here, and neither do yours. Don't think you know mine, because I won't state them here. Are we crystal clear?