D&D 5E Undead Sorlock Advice

WASDHammer

Explorer
I'm in a Strahd/Homebrew campaign that goes to level 20.

I am currently playing as an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer and overall having fun, however, was very tempted to MC into Warlock. Rather than take the traditional Hexblade route, I was looking at Undead as a potential subclass. I know that will not be the optimal choice (losing armor proficiency, shield, shield spell) but it felt like a good fit for story flavor.

I have never really played late game before, nor have I ever MC'ed into Warlock, so hoping to get some advice whether 1) this is a good idea at all? and 2) if so, should I go 2 levels into Warlock (traditional Sorlock) or 1 level + Eldritch Adept ASI?

For context, the DM gave everyone a free feat at level 1, although we are now at level 8. However, he is letting me rebuild my PC to incorporate this change (so either a 6/2 Sorcerer/Warlock or a 7/1 with Eldritch Adept- Agonizing Blast).

I know that the "Sorlock" topic has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum, but based on my specific, is this the right idea?

The only other consideration for me is that every other party member is currently multiclassed at least 1 level. I raise this because whenever I hear about MC into Warlock, I hear about the slower spell progression argument (i.e., you really feel the slower access to spell progression). But isn't that a RELATIVE argument, meaning you feel slower vs. other "pure" class party members? But if EVERYONE is multiclassing, isn't that argument lessened, if not moot?

In any case, would value any feedback or opinions. Thanks!
 

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kapars

Explorer
What are you looking to gain from it? Is there a specific Warlock invocation, subclass feature etc? Eldritch Blast and Agonizing Blast would make sure you get decent damage but is that what you are looking for? The higher in single class level get the higher level spells you get and that would actually set you apart from the other players in the group. The Aberrant Mind ability to subtle cast with Sorcery points is amazing for not getting counterspelled and multiclassing will cut down on that pool.
 

WASDHammer

Explorer
I actually think some of it was for backstory flavor. It is a pretty heavy RP group and the Undead subclass would fit PERFECTLY with the character's story arc. From a gameplay standpoint, I think the idea of a free/small resource dmg spell sounds appealing, especially since much of my spells are charm related support. Additionally, I like the idea of thinking of my sorcery points as a battery to manufacture spells during our notoriously long sessions, so refreshing that "battery" on a SR has some appeal.

Now that said, missing out on Wish for a level or two sounds bad, but I've never even cast that spell before and is it worth giving up power for the entire campaign just to cast a single OP spell a few times at end game? I actually don't know and would love that perspective.
 

ECMO3

Hero
I'm in a Strahd/Homebrew campaign that goes to level 20.

I am currently playing as an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer and overall having fun, however, was very tempted to MC into Warlock. Rather than take the traditional Hexblade route, I was looking at Undead as a potential subclass. I know that will not be the optimal choice (losing armor proficiency, shield, shield spell) but it felt like a good fit for story flavor.

I have never really played late game before, nor have I ever MC'ed into Warlock, so hoping to get some advice whether 1) this is a good idea at all? and 2) if so, should I go 2 levels into Warlock (traditional Sorlock) or 1 level + Eldritch Adept ASI?

For context, the DM gave everyone a free feat at level 1, although we are now at level 8. However, he is letting me rebuild my PC to incorporate this change (so either a 6/2 Sorcerer/Warlock or a 7/1 with Eldritch Adept- Agonizing Blast).

I know that the "Sorlock" topic has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum, but based on my specific, is this the right idea?

The only other consideration for me is that every other party member is currently multiclassed at least 1 level. I raise this because whenever I hear about MC into Warlock, I hear about the slower spell progression argument (i.e., you really feel the slower access to spell progression). But isn't that a RELATIVE argument, meaning you feel slower vs. other "pure" class party members? But if EVERYONE is multiclassing, isn't that argument lessened, if not moot?

In any case, would value any feedback or opinions. Thanks!
Undead warlock is better than Hexblade IMO as long as you primarily attack or use attack cantrips.

Form of dread lets you impose frightened with an attack, that and the temp hps will make up for shield and slightly better armor.
 


It works. The problem is you are starting either too early or too late. Up to level 9 sorcerer levels are really good. They get you extra levels of spells and lots more spells.

A Sorcerer 9/Warlock 2 with Quicken Spell misses out on one sixth level slot per day. But in reply Quicken Spell for two magic points allows the sorcerer to cast a mainline spell and Eldritch Blast (or two rounds of eldritch blast) in a turn - which is seriously boosted damage. And if the casters are all multiclassed you aren't falling behind.

My advice would be go Sorcerer 7/Warlock 1 and use Eldritch Adept for Quicken Spell (and get your Cha 20). You're the best blast mage around. After Sorcerer 9 you might want a second rank in warlock (switch the feat and get a second invocation) or possibly even a third if your party is lacking a ritualist for Pact of the Tome/Book of Arcane Secrets and to use some mini-coffee shenanigans. (Or use Shield or Absorb Elements from your sorcerer slots first).
 

I'm in a Strahd/Homebrew campaign that goes to level 20.

I am currently playing as an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer and overall having fun, however, was very tempted to MC into Warlock. Rather than take the traditional Hexblade route, I was looking at Undead as a potential subclass. I know that will not be the optimal choice (losing armor proficiency, shield, shield spell) but it felt like a good fit for story flavor.

I have never really played late game before, nor have I ever MC'ed into Warlock, so hoping to get some advice whether 1) this is a good idea at all? and 2) if so, should I go 2 levels into Warlock (traditional Sorlock) or 1 level + Eldritch Adept ASI?

For context, the DM gave everyone a free feat at level 1, although we are now at level 8. However, he is letting me rebuild my PC to incorporate this change (so either a 6/2 Sorcerer/Warlock or a 7/1 with Eldritch Adept- Agonizing Blast).

I know that the "Sorlock" topic has been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseum, but based on my specific, is this the right idea?

The only other consideration for me is that every other party member is currently multiclassed at least 1 level. I raise this because whenever I hear about MC into Warlock, I hear about the slower spell progression argument (i.e., you really feel the slower access to spell progression). But isn't that a RELATIVE argument, meaning you feel slower vs. other "pure" class party members? But if EVERYONE is multiclassing, isn't that argument lessened, if not moot?

In any case, would value any feedback or opinions. Thanks!

How many encounters do you get between long rests? If its more than 4-5 or so, then a 1 level Warlock dip is OK. If it's less than 4 dont waste your time.

All you get out of it is better 'at will' damage, and if your DM is letting you Nova by only throwing 1-3 encounters per long rest at you, then you dont need better 'at will' damage at all (you have more than enough slots at your level to never run out, and you dont want to delay getting access to higher level slots as you advance).
 

Horwath

Hero
As someone that is currently playing Aberrant mind, I would suggest that you stay there for 9 levels.
Get all the goodies and then take 2 levels of warlock, Cha bonus to damage will then be ready at lvl11, just when you get your 3rd ray.
 

As someone that is currently playing Aberrant mind, I would suggest that you stay there for 9 levels.
Get all the goodies and then take 2 levels of warlock, Cha bonus to damage will then be ready at lvl11, just when you get your 3rd ray.
And delay 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th level spells by 2 levels, for (in exchange) a better at will cantrip?

Not sure it's a great bargain.
 

Horwath

Hero
And delay 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th level spells by 2 levels, for (in exchange) a better at will cantrip?

Not sure it's a great bargain.
multiclassing never is a great bargain as a caster. But at level 9 you get most out of your aberrant mind so... if ever, it's then.
 

multiclassing never is a great bargain as a caster. But at level 9 you get most out of your aberrant mind so... if ever, it's then.

You're delaying 9th, 8th, 7th and 6th level spells.

It only makes sense if you regularly find yourself having to fall back to cantrips (or use them regularly) - i.e. if your DM bothers to police the adventuring day in any way shape or form.

With a DM that doesnt, and you only get 1-3 encounters per AD, it's not worth it.
 

WASDHammer

Explorer
Without asking for spoilers, I think my concerns that initial caused me to consider MCing into Warlock twofold

1) To just the "safety" of a free/low resource damage spell for when I run out of spells (or conversely, allowing me to more aggressively use my spells without fear of being rendered useless if they run out)

but also 2) As an Aberrant Mind, many of my spells are Charm related (at least those that maximize the traits of the subclass), and I think I'm finding myself running into a lot of NPCs in Strahd that resist charm effects. Now you could certainly say that I could/should have selected a better subclass from the start, but I do really like my PCs story arc with AM Sorc., but the MCing would then give me some straight damage to supplement my control-based spells.
 

AB gets to swap out two spells when they level up. You could always pick up a bit of pyrokinesis.

For example, Silvery Barbs could be a psionic spell. This could replace Shield from the general list, freeing up a slot for Fireball.
 
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You're delaying 9th, 8th, 7th and 6th level spells.

It only makes sense if you regularly find yourself having to fall back to cantrips (or use them regularly) - i.e. if your DM bothers to police the adventuring day in any way shape or form.

With a DM that doesnt, and you only get 1-3 encounters per AD, it's not worth it.

And this is ok as a play choice. If that fits the character you can do worse. You keep up in at will damage an utility and gain a bit of extra sustain with 2 first level spells per short rest.
Not every character has to be compared to a full caster. Being 2 spell levels behind is still way ahead of an artificer or paladin.
It is a very one sided view on the game to only look at the highest spell level.
 

Without asking for spoilers, I think my concerns that initial caused me to consider MCing into Warlock twofold

1) To just the "safety" of a free/low resource damage spell for when I run out of spells (or conversely, allowing me to more aggressively use my spells without fear of being rendered useless if they run out)

but also 2) As an Aberrant Mind, many of my spells are Charm related (at least those that maximize the traits of the subclass), and I think I'm finding myself running into a lot of NPCs in Strahd that resist charm effects. Now you could certainly say that I could/should have selected a better subclass from the start, but I do really like my PCs story arc with AM Sorc., but the MCing would then give me some straight damage to supplement my control-based spells.

A reasonable choice. If you can actually work it into the story when you gain your first level of warlock, that would even be a bigger plus. Even if you go from sorc 8 to sorc 7/ warlock 1.
I think the curse of strahd campaign is perfectly suited for such a switch.
 

WASDHammer

Explorer
I think that's the thing that excites me the most. It works quite well with my current story arc. If anything, that was the reason I decided to do it in the first place, but didn't want to make myself a weak PC just for the sake of story. But it sounds like that would not be the case.
 

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