D&D 4E UPDATED 6/20/08! kiznit's 4e Fold-over Character Sheet w/ Cards

kiznit

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Relbanan said:
This sheet is great - my kids and I (13 and 8 yrs) have just started playing D&D (again for me, after about a 20 year break ;) ) and my daughter (8) told me she likes your character sheet "much MUCH better" so you have made a little girl very happy. :)

I have four suggestions - first, on the Equipped Items boxes, how about adding an area for weight? Attachment shows what I mean. You'd have to move the labels to the left on the ones that aren't already over there, ie. Head, Waist, etc. This works for the Other Equipment boxes too.

My second suggestion is regarding the Race Features and Class Features lines. Pretty simple - I'd just like to see those broken into six lines instead of three. just put a space halfway down each line. Makes it cleaner to make a list of features rather than having to separate by commas or whatever. I admit, this is a REALLY small nit. ;)

Third, similar to suggestion #2, I'd like to see the lines below Other Equipment broken into three sections, with a weight column for each item.

Finally, how about a spot by the Ranged Weapon to show ammo? Not sure if that'd be the best place for it or not, but just a box with a count of remaining sling bullets, arrows, etc?

Thanks again for the great sheet - reminds me of my old days, desiging 2e sheets and printing them on my parents' dot matrix printer... :)
Cool, thanks for the comments! It warms my heart to hear that your family got some good use out of them.

All your comments are definitely going on "the list" for v1.1, but fair warning it may be a little while before I settle back down for an upgrade. I also want to playtest them a little to measure space requirements.
 

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egarvue

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Thanks for all your hard work on this. I've been casting about for a character sheet to use (especially with my kids), and this one is just about perfect. Kudos to you! Also, I used your combat crib sheet as a DM on the worldwide games day, and that made my job of introducing 4E much easier.

On a side note, I find it funny that WOTC's official sheet is so horribly made that everyone in my group is on the prowl looking for better character sheets.
 

The Real Aranan

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The little power card envelope is a nifty idea. I'm definitely using this sheet for all my games and showing it to my players. It's wonderful.

kiznit said:
:shrug: I wouldn't even know what size that is. Can you give me the dimensions? It wouldn't be too hard to whip up an alternate.
2.5 by 3.5 inches (63 x 88 mm)
It wouldn't hurt to make it a tiny tiny bit smaller (~3-4 mm) to make sure they actually fit over the CCG cards.



Now for NeoLithic to make it form fillable *cough* :)
 

Essobie

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neolithic said:
Kiznit: Maybe you can move the download link up to the first post for easier accessibility.

Hi all. I liked Kiznit's sheet so much that I turned it into a PDF you can type into. This is based on the latest version you can download.

I've been informed that another version is being worked on so once that comes out I'll see if I can find some time to turn that into a PDF form as well.

It is just a basic form without any automation or calculation but I made a few sheets with it last night and was pretty pleased with the result. I'm happy to take feedback but that might warrant a new thread, I don't want to clutter up the original discussion.

Anyways cheers to Kiznit for creating this awesome sheet and allowing me to share this modified version with all of you.

Kiznit's 4e Character Sheet - Fillable v0.5

I love the fillable version of this. Good work to both of you. However, I'm an efficiencty nazi and when I fill out forms I like to use Tab to advance to the next field. According to Acrobat the default order is the order the fields were created, which is what it appear they are using.

I was disappointed that the security settings on this form disallow the re-ordering of these fields.

Any chance of re-ordering these fields in tab order to something more usuable? Or better yet, a version that has this particular security feature disabled to allow users to set their own tab order based on their own preference?

Edit: Other form/fillable suggestions:

- Add a field for "Special Movement" under Speed (like you have for under Passive Perception).
- Is there some way to have the box for Immunities, Resistances, etc. be a "paragraph" box like you have under "Effects & Bonuses vs." in Basic Attacks?
- Perhaps put the number 10 in the "Ten+1/2 Level" box to the right of all the defenses by default but still make it an editable field.

Heh... having typed all this out, I've awakened the inner-desktop-publisher within. I think I'll use this sheet as an inspiration for my own. Thanks guys!
 
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neolithic

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Essobie said:
I love the fillable version of this. Good work to both of you. However, I'm an efficiencty nazi and when I fill out forms I like to use Tab to advance to the next field. According to Acrobat the default order is the order the fields were created, which is what it appear they are using.

I was disappointed that the security settings on this form disallow the re-ordering of these fields.

Any chance of re-ordering these fields in tab order to something more usuable? Or better yet, a version that has this particular security feature disabled to allow users to set their own tab order based on their own preference?

Edit: Other form/fillable suggestions:

- Add a field for "Special Movement" under Speed (like you have for under Passive Perception).
- Is there some way to have the box for Immunities, Resistances, etc. be a "paragraph" box like you have under "Effects & Bonuses vs." in Basic Attacks?
- Perhaps put the number 10 in the "Ten+1/2 Level" box to the right of all the defenses by default but still make it an editable field.

Heh... having typed all this out, I've awakened the inner-desktop-publisher within. I think I'll use this sheet as an inspiration for my own. Thanks guys!

I'd be keen to incorporate this feedback. I knew the tab order was a little funny, I tried my best but this is my first real attempt with Adobe Acrobat Professional and I guess it slipped through the cracks.

Now that the new version is out I'll be sitting down to make that into a form. Not sure about those security settings though but I'll see what I can do when it comes time to publish the PDF.

[I've just managed to do the first page of the character sheet so hopefully I'll have it all squared away by tomorrow guys. Just to keep everyone in the loop on this awesome character sheet.]
 
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Essobie

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neolithic said:
I'd be keen to incorporate this feedback. I knew the tab order was a little funny, I tried my best but this is my first real attempt with Adobe Acrobat Professional and I guess it slipped through the cracks.

Now that the new version is out I'll be sitting down to make that into a form. Not sure about those security settings though but I'll see what I can do when it comes time to publish the PDF.

Found something else while putting a character in. You don't have fields for "Skill Modifiers, Notes, etc" to the right of all the skills that are not gray shaded.

Right now I'm bumping around in Illustrator to see if I can create a sheet that does much of what this one does, but attempts to do it all in landscape and all on a single side of Letter. Probably impossible, but while I still have good eyes I figure I can save a few trees, right?
 

neolithic

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Essobie said:
Found something else while putting a character in. You don't have fields for "Skill Modifiers, Notes, etc" to the right of all the skills that are not gray shaded.

Right now I'm bumping around in Illustrator to see if I can create a sheet that does much of what this one does, but attempts to do it all in landscape and all on a single side of Letter. Probably impossible, but while I still have good eyes I figure I can save a few trees, right?

I've been a lot more thorough with my field creation this time Essobie and will make sure to include all of the fields in this updated version of the form. The lack of shading did throw me off previously but I'm on top of it now :)

Good luck with your landscape attempt!
 

neolithic

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Kiznit's 4e Character Sheet v1.0 now form-fillable!

Hi All,

Here is the form-fillable version of Kiznit's 4e Character Sheet v1.0. I've taken extra care this time with tab-order and gone right through all 7 pages of the PDF so even the power cards are form-fillable however I haven't thoroughly tested the cards for all lengths of text and detail.

I plugged in some of the Cleric powers since they have the longest text and they seemed okay but let me know how it all goes.

I've also tried my hand at some drop down menus for the race and class area. These are populated with all the 4e PHB races and classes but you can type over the top of the text if you are using custom races and classes.

The Defense sections Ten + 1/2 Level boxes have also been pre-filled with 10 and i've put in some default text in fields that are placed in not very obvious places. I recommend turning on the "Highlight Fields" option within Acrobat to assist you with filling out the form.

There are now some controls at the top of the first page to save, print and clear the form. Clearing the form will clear every field in the 7 pages to use it with caution!

Once again I'm happy to hear any feedback and hope you enjoy Kiznit's awesome sheet even more with this form-fillable version.

Kiznit's 4e Character Sheet v1.0 Form-Fillable
 


WhatIsSol

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v1.0 fillable form

Neolithic, your v0.5 form allowed the completed form to be saved with the data, but the v1.0 form does not? Any chance this feature could be re-enabled? Regardless thanks for the effort making it into a fillable form.

Kiznit, in my opinion your character sheet for 4e DnD is totally awesome! Looks like you must have spent a lot of time on it, either that or you are a layout genius :)
 

kiznit

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neolithic said:
Here is the form-fillable version of Kiznit's 4e Character Sheet v1.0. I've taken extra care this time with tab-order and gone right through all 7 pages of the PDF so even the power cards are form-fillable however I haven't thoroughly tested the cards for all lengths of text and detail.
You rock, Neo! OP updated.
Relbanan said:
Kiznit, what program are you using to develop your form? Also, what font are you using?
Adobe Illustrator CS3. I'm a design professional, FWIW.

The serif font (including the scribbly title-designs) is regular ol' Georgia (which I've always liked a lot), the tiny sans type is either Helvetica Neue or Frutiger, I forget which, somewhat famous for being still pretty legible at very small sizes.
WhatIsSol said:
Kiznit, in my opinion your character sheet for 4e DnD is totally awesome! Looks like you must have spent a lot of time on it, either that or you are a layout genius :)
Yeah, it ended up being a bigger project than it was meant to be, and I'm nursing a few more ideas for alternates that I'm excited about as well.

It's a fairly specific kind of sheet geared towards players who like a more aesthetic, hand-writable, and spaced-out (room for notes!) layout. I fully recognize it's not for everyone, but I guess it speaks to folks like you! :)

Thanks for appreciating the hard work, I hope it makes your game better. It's certainly improved mine.
 

neolithic

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WhatIsSol said:
Neolithic, your v0.5 form allowed the completed form to be saved with the data, but the v1.0 form does not? Any chance this feature could be re-enabled? Regardless thanks for the effort making it into a fillable form.

Kiznit, in my opinion your character sheet for 4e DnD is totally awesome! Looks like you must have spent a lot of time on it, either that or you are a layout genius :)
That's weird, I'll look into this now. Thanks for letting me know :)

I forgot to actually publish the form to allow for the information to be recorded. I've now overwritten the old file so if you downloaded it previously, please re-download the pdf. Sorry!
 

Zustiur

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I noticed a couple of things with the fillable version:
* The font auto resizes in some locations and not others. In some it appears needlessly small (Powers, equipment and class/race abilities in particular)
* The first line of At Will, Encounter and Utility seems to all be the same field.

And in general
* What is the point of having a column for which ability scores are affected by your race?
 

Essobie

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Edit: /\/\/\ Heh... Just read above. Yeah, how do you get the fields to act differently from each other, neolithic? Please help!

Looking good. I'm still working on mine, and just for giggles I exported to PDF and brought it into Acrobat to try my hand at creating a few text fields in the sections I have done already.

Never used LiveCycle Designer before, and I'm having a hard time getting it to do the simplest of things.

For instance, I'd like to have some text fields resize the text based on how many lines you put in (like your Treasure field). How do you set that up exactly? I've set it to Multiple Lines in the Object/Field tab, but no amount of combinations of other settings in that or in the Font or Paragraph tabs will allow the field to dynamically resize text as needed. All it does is keep the same text size I have entered in the Font tab. Once I start typing too much text in the box, it creates a scrub bar on the right, which essentially means at print time all the extra text won't be visible (i.e. useless to me).

Is there somewhere I can go that has simple help for this type of thing? The help in LiveCycle Designer is AWFUL (just like all Adobe products, frankly). It assumes you know all the made up jargon they created to define their tools... bah, I'm just ranting now. :\
 

neolithic

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Zustiur said:
I noticed a couple of things with the fillable version:
* The font auto resizes in some locations and not others. In some it appears needlessly small (Powers, equipment and class/race abilities in particular)
* The first line of At Will, Encounter and Utility seems to all be the same field.

And in general
* What is the point of having a column for which ability scores are affected by your race?

I just filled out a sheet and noticed some of the things you are referring to. I've tried to standardise the text size this time around but I guess that hasn't worked out well for you guys so I'll make a move to change them back to auto.

The issue with the power cards has been fixed, the form fields had the same name.

As far as the racial column goes I do use it on my sheet. I put the +2's in there and factor them into the "Base" column. I guess it seems a little counter-intuitive because unlike the Defense section where it lists a series of boxes that add up to a total box this just has the one box for "Base".

Here's a link to the new updated sheet.

kiznit's 4e character sheet v1.0 form-fillable v2
 
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Essobie

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neolithic said:
I just filled out a sheet and noticed some of the things you are referring to. I've tried to standardise the text size this time around but I guess that hasn't worked out well for you guys so I'll make a move to change them back to auto.[/URL]

Now your Treasure field is fixed size limiting to only 9 lines of text, but your single line text fields under Other Equipment still does some resizing. Where do you change that stuff?
 

neolithic

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Essobie said:
Now your Treasure field is fixed size limiting to only 9 lines of text, but your single line text fields under Other Equipment still does some resizing. Where do you change that stuff?

When I filled out my character sheet as a test I didn't have any treasure so this field wasn't tested. I'll update the v2 sheet, should be ready in 5 minutes.

This will be the last change I make to it for a while, I would like to play test the sheets before making another set of rapid fire changes.

Please continue to note any observations here, I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

Sorry for everyone having to re-download the file over and over. This is starting to become a bigger project than I anticipated. Maybe I should assemble a group of people to take some feedback on the form before it gets released to the public?

As far as how I do the form up, I don't use LiveCycle for the very same reason you have discovered. It makes the simplest task really hard! My recommendation to you is the load the form into Acrobat Pro and then under the "Forms" menu you can choose an option to "Edit Layout" which lets you edit the form within Acrobat.

To do the mutli-line, auto text size field you just bring up the field's properties with a right click and select font auto and click the multi-line checkbox.

Hope that helps :)
 

Essobie

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neolithic said:
Hope that helps :)

Does it ever! Oh my god... I just assumed using LifeCycle was THE way to make forms within Acrobat. I was starting to actually just make my text fields bigger in the layout so that I wouldn't have to use auto font sizing, and in doing so it appeared that making a single sheet character sheet was going to be impossible.

However, I'm not saying it IS possible... that's still up for debate. But at least it isn't a lost cause just yet.

Thanks again.
 

Frithweaver

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Hey all: I'm really appreciating the collaboration in here - the end product is very nice.

Small bits of feedback

-In the skills section,the column which contains relevant abilities has a column header of "1/2 level + Ability" but no square to fill out. I think this is cognitively dissonant with the rest of the sheet. The column actually just contains an ability, but the header contains.. a reminder on how to do it in your head? I'm also not sold on the column order here, since the most important number is somewhat buried in the middle.
-Typo at the bottom of the skills section: "receive" is misspelled.
-Neolithic: have you considered adding the feature: fields which calculate themselves? There's an example of this at the Something Awful boards: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2872872 (linked at the bottom of the first post.)
 

neolithic

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Frithweaver said:
-Neolithic: have you considered adding the feature: fields which calculate themselves? There's an example of this at the Something Awful boards: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2872872 (linked at the bottom of the first post.)

I have actually Frithweaver, I'd really like to look at automating the sheet at some stage but I have limited knowledge on how to do this and also limited time to spend on learning how to make it work right now.

It is definitely on my list of things to do :)

In the mean time you'll just have to persevere with some extra typing :)
 

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