[UPDATED] Has ADVENTURER'S HANDBOOK Been Cancelled?

Today's official announcement about the Elemental Evil storyline mentioned Princes of the Apocalypse, a new DM screen, miniatures, video games... but not the Adventurer's Handbook! This could mean nothing, of course. The book was first announced last year, back in August; but the below screenshot from Edelweiss shows it as cancelled. The mystery deepens!

UPDATE: WotC's Mike Mearls answers "We can't cancel a book we never announced!" So that sounds like the Adventurer's Handbook will definitely not be appearing. WotC certainly wrote ad copy and designed a cover for the book (see below). Mike added "we've played things close to the vest is that it's a huge, open question on what support for the RPG should look like... we do a lot of stuff that may or may not end up as a released product. For instance, we now know that the high volume release schedule for 3e and 4e turned out to be bad for D&D. It wasn't too many settings that hurt TSR, but too many D&D books of any kind. lots of experiments ahead..."

Here's the cancellation screenshot. Now, that could mean a number of things - maybe it's been pushed back, maybe it's been renamed, or maybe it's just an admin error. Princes of the Apolocaypse has been pushed back from March 17 to April 7.

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What do we know about the book? We have a description from August 2014 and a more recent cover image. Right now, anything could be true; I haven't heard anything about a cancellation or a pushed back release date. If I do, I'll be sure to report it.


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Adventurer's Handbook (March 17, 2015; hardcover; $39.95) -- A Dungeons & Dragons Accessory.

Create Heroic Characters to Conquer the Elements in this Accessory for the World’s Greatest Roleplaying Game​

Not inherently evil, elemental power can be mastered by those with both malevolent and benign intentions. The Elemental Evil Adventurer’s Handbook provides everything that players need to build a character that is tied directly into the Elemental Evil story arc, with skills, abilities, and spells meant to augment their play experience throughout the campaign. Additionally, valuable background and story information provides greater depth and immersion.

An accessory that expands the number of options available for character creation for the Elemental Evil story arc, providing expanded backgrounds, class builds, and races meant specifically for this campaign.

Provides background and setting information critical to having the greatest chance of success.

Accessory design and development by Sasquatch Game Studio LLC.​


 
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TwoSix

Unserious gamer
The material that was going to be sold in a hardback book for $40.00 is now going to be included in the adventure materials it was designed to support and/or available online free of charge. Nothing less is being released. The only difference now is that if you buy the adventure you will get more for your money. How does that suck?

For me, I know I wasn't going to buy the adventure anyway, so the inclusion of the material is a moot point. And it seems unlikely they developed a full 160 or 192 page book full of crunch, but decided to suddenly release it all online. More likely, the amount of solid crunch material developed was far less than necessary to fill a book.

Now, while I'm not unhappy that they aren't releasing a $40 book that's mostly filler, I was looking forward to some new subclasses, at the very least (which would seem to be a minimum standard in releasing a book of player options). New races and spells are fine, but don't really scratch that "new shiny" itch like a new class or subclass would.
 

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Wolfskin

Explorer
New races and spells are fine, but don't really scratch that "new shiny" itch like a new class or subclass would.
I also would've loved some new subclasses. My guess is that new subclasses will show up in an adventure-agnostic supplement, probably announced by GenCon. Just guessing, though!
 

dream66_

First Post
Mike added "we've played things close to the vest is that it's a huge, open question on what support for the RPG should look like... we do a lot of stuff that may or may not end up as a released product. For instance, we now know that the high volume release schedule for 3e and 4e turned out to be bad for D&D. It wasn't too many settings that hurt TSR, but too many D&D books of any kind. lots of experiments ahead..."

I can't say how they can said lots of books where bad for 3e and 4e when both sold very very well and really restored the game after the doldrums of being almost forgotten in the 2e era.
 

Gadget

Adventurer
I fail to see what the big hubub is about. WOTC never announced the product. Obviously they did some initial work and a mock up cover as planning and development, but decided not to go forward with the project in this format. Maybe some of the material that was planned for the book will be in the adventure, maybe other material will be released on line. It's almost like an apple rumors forum in here where people get all upset about the latest product because it didn't have all the features that the rumor mill said it would have.
 

lkj

Hero
As I mentioned in another thread, I think they might be experimenting with a new strategy. They are trying to release fewer books, but they know that existing gamers still want new content (like genasi). They also probably want to avoid the critique (which might have been legitimate) that someone who just wanted bits and pieces of mechanics from various storylines were being 'forced' to buy multiple expensive books that contained lots of content they didn't actually want.

This way, those who are gung-ho, can buy the fancy book packed with an adventure and lots of elemental options. Others can get the mechanics out of a free download.

And that free download might just tempt some to go ahead and buy the book.

The strategy would presumably limit the number of books they print per year (clearly a goal of theirs), while still allowing them to expand the game (via free stuff) to keep people engaged.

I'm just speculating. But I think it might be a good strategy to try if I'm right.

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I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
I can't say how they can said lots of books where bad for 3e and 4e when both sold very very well and really restored the game after the doldrums of being almost forgotten in the 2e era.

'cuz neither of them could last more than ~3 years without a new suite of "core rules" (3.5, or Essentials), I'd wager.

If the job of the supplements is to support the game, and if they cost more to make than they're bringing in after a year or two, then they're not doing a very good job of that.
 

dream66_

First Post
'cuz neither of them could last more than ~3 years without a new suite of "core rules" (3.5, or Essentials), I'd wager.

If the job of the supplements is to support the game, and if they cost more to make than they're bringing in after a year or two, then they're not doing a very good job of that.

Well puts me in a real spot. I like splat books, I like having new content. I miss Dragon Magazine BADLY!!!!! I agree with slowing down but this is crazy slow, way too slow for my tastes. I want an active updating game, and pathfinder doesn't capture me.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
Well puts me in a real spot. I like splat books, I like having new content. I miss Dragon Magazine BADLY!!!!! I agree with slowing down but this is crazy slow, way too slow for my tastes. I want an active updating game, and pathfinder doesn't capture me.

You might be in the market for EN5IDER!

It's also possible we'll see Dragon/Dungeon revived or put up as a series of articles or somesuch, as a low-cost solution for those who want more material.

And the OGL might yet solve all those issues with a firehose of products!

Those last two are kind of waiting on WotC still, and the first one isn't off the ground quite yet, but I think your need is answerable without WotC needing to spend the money to produce stuff (necessarily).
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I fail to see what the big hubub is about.

There's no particular "hubub". Just some people chatting. If you're not interested in the subject, you don't have to participate. There's lots of other threads here!

WOTC never announced the product. Obviously they did some initial work and a mock up cover as planning and development, but decided not to go forward with the project in this format. Maybe some of the material that was planned for the book will be in the adventure, maybe other material will be released on line. It's almost like an apple rumors forum in here where people get all upset about the latest product because it didn't have all the features that the rumor mill said it would have.

People like talking about stuff they're interested in. This is a good thing. What would be bad is if nobody was speculating about WotC's plans. Many RPG companies would kill for 5% of the amount of interest people have in what WotC does.
 


Blackbrrd

First Post
Well puts me in a real spot. I like splat books, I like having new content. I miss Dragon Magazine BADLY!!!!! I agree with slowing down but this is crazy slow, way too slow for my tastes. I want an active updating game, and pathfinder doesn't capture me.
Personally, I kind of burnt out on all the options for 4e (and 3e for that matter). It made me want to look at a simpler game system. Now, if they put the splat book stuff in Dragon Magazine and mark it as "optional" instead of "core" like they did with the splat books for 4e, I think we could both be happy.

I think part of the reason 5e has sold so well is that it's, for being a D&D game, quite complete. I don't think there has been a previous edition that has included so many options as 5e did. Maybe they are looking into what can get new gamers to buy it instead of selling splat books to existing gamers. The latter option does seem to make the original game unsellable to new customers (my assumption).

It really seems like they are undecided on what to actually do with 5e, and will be taking their time deciding what to do. Maybe instead of going the splat book way, they decide to go the way of do-it-yourself, or just skip it and go into adventure/setting support. I think it would be really cool if they made settings with tools for helping you create your own adventure/campaign.
 

Curmudjinn

Explorer
Christ, what does this company have to do to appease people?
Every announcement or rumor is flooded negativity. The core books have came and were spectacular.

Expect more of that and carry on!
 

kettite

Explorer
While a public announcement was not made, Wizards of the Coast did provide solicitation information to a book distributor, from which book and game stores would make orders. So sometime between August 20 when the catalog was posted on the Edelweiss site and today, a decision was made to cancel the solicitation for the book.
 

Joe Liker

First Post
I greatly dislike online-only content because I try very hard to keep electronic devices away from my table. And before anyone mentions the obvious, a printout is not nearly as satisfying as a professionally bound hardcover book.

So yes, I'm disappointed.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that (with the arguable exception of the Starter Set) every outsourced 5e product so far has been met with immense dissatisfaction for one reason or another. Maybe they are starting to realize that the realities of quality control require that official WotC products need to be made by official WotC employees.
 

Drudenfusz

First Post
I hope that this strategy is not also problematic. Sure, i can understand that too many sourcebooks was an issue, but too few could also create the feeling that the system is not properly supported. I thought the Advanturer's Handbooks twice a year would have been fine. Anyway, now it seems like we getting some stuff in a PDF, so at least it is not nothing, but I have to say I prefer to my stuff in books!
 

delericho

Legend
Well, that's unfortunate. I really liked the idea of an Adventure Path with an associated supplement. And while there's going to be a free download, I will be extremely surprised if it will be the equivalent of the 160-ish page book we were expecting.

Without the supplement, I'm probably going to give this path a miss.
 

Remathilis

Legend
I greatly dislike online-only content because I try very hard to keep electronic devices away from my table. And before anyone mentions the obvious, a printout is not nearly as satisfying as a professionally bound hardcover book.

So yes, I'm disappointed.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that (with the arguable exception of the Starter Set) every outsourced 5e product so far has been met with immense dissatisfaction for one reason or another. Maybe they are starting to realize that the realities of quality control require that official WotC products need to be made by official WotC employees.
You mean both of them? There is only 6 products; three core books, two modules, and a dm screen. And both middle were made by the same company while the rules were being finalized. I can't blame KP for having some weak slots there.
 

dream66_

First Post
You mean both of them? There is only 6 products; three core books, two modules, and a dm screen. And both middle were made by the same company while the rules were being finalized. I can't blame KP for having some weak slots there.

That would be fine if even a single one of my complains with HotDQ had anything to do with rules.
 

M.L. Martin

Adventurer
I cannot imagine that a product so far along into the development process would be cancelled. I suppose it is possible. Weird.

It happened before, with stuff that had been officially announced and even mentioned in published products. The Nentir Vale Gazetteer comes to mind, as well as the Class Compendium.

I'm not convinced by Mearls' assertion that "a lot of products hurt D&D". Unless perhaps the plan is to build community and brand loyalty by starving everyone of alternatives to the One Campaign to Rule Them All ...
 

Arallu

Villager
It is about managing our expectations. ....which I am pretty sure is what I typed. Also, they have announced one book for the year....so it is probably ok for me to say they don't plan to release much. More free is good. One book a year, not good. YMMV.

I thought it was 2 storylines (books) per year.

Note the updated text, foreshadowing this

So what do we get every six months?
It appears that each storyline will provide some of the following:

  • Optional: storyline specific Adventurer’s Handbook, with new races, classes, backgrounds, feats, equipment lists.
    Not every story will necessarily include a player option type book” – Chris Perkins
  • Adventure for that storyline (1 or 2 books) for the Dungeon Master with additional details for that setting such as adventure specific bonds, locations, monsters, magic items and NPCs.
  • Free downloadable storyline supplements at official D&D site
  • Support with storyline specific video games, comics, miniatures and more.
  • Digital Versions: “We have every intention of releasing the books in electronic versions. But we don’t have a date at this time.” – Chris Perkins
 

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