Using 2 Metamagic feats at once

[andargor]

Shovel?

The lesser form of move earth?

Or, for nostalgics, dig?

Andargor

 

[Bat]

So, just to make sure I totally understand, applying both metamagic feats to this would only take one full-round action?

 

[shilsen]

So, just to make sure I totally understand, applying both metamagic feats to this would only take one full-round action?

Correct.

 

[Bat]

Where would I find the rules to support this? I would like to do it, but will need to defend it with my DM, and I would like to be able to point it out in the rulebooks, not just say: "Well, people on the internet said it would take one full action".

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Right here:

Sorcerers and Bards: Sorcerers and bards choose spells as they cast them. They can choose when they cast their spells whether to apply their metamagic feats to improve them. As with other spellcasters, the improved spell uses up a higher-level spell slot. But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. Therefore, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell. If the spell’s normal casting time is 1 action, casting a metamagic version is a full-round action for a sorcerer or bard. (This isn’t the same as a 1-round casting time.)

For a spell with a longer casting time, it takes an extra full-round action to cast the spell.

It should also be in the Feats chapter of your PHB.

 

[shilsen]

Right here:



It should also be in the Feats chapter of your PHB.

What he said. Pg. 88, to be precise.

 

[just__al]

Right here:

Right here:

Sorcerers and Bards: Sorcerers and bards choose spells as they cast them. They can choose when they cast their spells whether to apply their metamagic feats to improve them. As with other spellcasters, the improved spell uses up a higher-level spell slot. But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot. Therefore, such a character must also take more time to cast a metamagic spell (one enhanced by a metamagic feat) than he does to cast a regular spell. If the spell’s normal casting time is 1 action, casting a metamagic version is a full-round action for a sorcerer or bard. (This isn’t the same as a 1-round casting time.)

For a spell with a longer casting time, it takes an extra full-round action to cast the spell.

It should also be in the Feats chapter of your PHB.

But the real question is... the the spell an (enlarged & hightened) lightning bolt or an enlarged (hightened lightning bolt)

because if it's the second case then a sorceror casts a hightened lighning bolt as a full round action and the enlarging it requires an extra full round action to cast.

I'd rule that the double metamagics on the same spell only increase the time from 1 round to a full round by another DM may decide to rule differently

(Did any of that make sense???)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Yeah, it does - and that's what I thought might be the case I was first writing my above post. I went back and checked it, however, before I posted. I just didn't clean up my post as much as I thought I did.

What's a "metamagic version" of a spell? It's a spell "enhanced by a metamagic feat."

Is an enlarged and heighted lightning bolt enhanced by a metmagic feat? Yes - in fact, it's enhanced by two of them (in the same way that someone who has 2 apples also has 1 apple).

So, what's the spell's normal casting time? For lightning bolt, it's one standard action. Therefore, to cast a metamagic version of lightning bolt, it'll take one full-round action.