D&D 5E (2024) Using Action Surge to cast spells in 2024

[mamba]

Yes you can I gave you numerous examples before

Am 18th level Eldritch Knight CAN cast hold Person using the attack action

A Glamour Bard CAN cast Command using a Bonus action

A Valor CAN cast Truestrike using the attack action

Any caster CAN cast a spell using the Ready action

one is not like the others…

 

[Charlaquin]

Exactly, "cast as normal ..." not cast as your reaction. It's very muddled but nothing says ready actually changes the casting time, unlike quicken which explicitly does.

It doesn’t change the casting time. You cast it as an Action. The Ready Action.

 

[mamba]

Right. I would (tentatively, given my limited knowledge of 5e) go even one step further: all the stuff about casting the spell now while holding the energy seems to establish an express contrast with changing the casting time to 1 Reaction.

which also is why you need to keep Concentration until you release the energy, or the whole thing fails

 

[ECMO3]

Correct. What is changed is holding the energy.

What has changed is holding the energy, requireing concentration and using the Ready action.

Right. You cast it as normal using the Magic Action,

No you use the Ready action as described in the description of Ready action under the paragraph on Ready a spell.

 

[ECMO3]

Exactly, "cast as normal ..." not cast as your reaction. It's very muddled but nothing says ready actually changes the casting time, unlike quicken which explicitly does.

You don't cast it as a Reaction, you use the Ready action. It still uses an action to cast.

 

[mamba]

Which the Ready action allows you to take in response to a trigger instead of on your turn.

no, you already cast the spell on your turn, you only release the energy as a reaction. This is why your spell slot is lost even if the trigger never occurs

 

[ECMO3]

one is not like the others…

They are all alike. None of them state they change the casting time of a spell, but all of them let you cast said spell without using a Magic action.

 

[Maxperson]

What has changed is holding the energy, requireing concentration and using the Ready action.



No you use the Ready action as described in the description of Ready action under the paragraph on Ready a spell.

Do you understand what "specific" means? Specific requires clear specificity, not assuming what Ready Action might, possibly, maybe mean.

If I tell you that there is a monkey in my room, that's specific. If I tell you that there is an animal in my room and you think it's a monkey, you are assuming.

There is no specificity in the Ready Action that turns the spellcasting from "cast as normal" which means the Magic Action, Bonus Action, or Reaction, into "The Ready Action is a new normal way to cast spells."

 

[ECMO3]

no, you already cast the spell on your turn, you only release the energy as a reaction. This is why your spell slot is lost even if the trigger never occurs

Ready action is not the same as Reaction.

Ready action is an action you take on your turn, Reaction is not, it is something you take as the result of a trigger which allows it (in this case the trigger condition from Ready). You cast the spell on your turn with the Ready action, you release the energy with your reaction when the trigger happens. It is very clear.

 

[Maxperson]

They are all alike. None of them state they change the casting time of a spell, but all of them let you cast said spell without using a Magic action.

No matter how much you try and twist things, you aren't going to get around that the others very specifically make exceptions to the rule, where Ready Action does not.