{Vampire: The Masquerade - OOC} New York by Night

[Shalimar]

To open it up to Jemal and Shalimar, I still don't understand why a Ventrue/Brujah would be that interested in Caitlyn.

Beauty, lust, love or some facsimile. Who knows the mind of immortal creatures. I am not going to have Sabrina embrace anyone, its just one more complication she doesn't really need.

I would like to point out that her 5 dots of performance makes her a world class entertainer. Even a mediocre performance by someone that good is going to be very good for someone else.

 

[reapersaurus]

I would like to point out that her 5 dots of performance makes her a world class entertainer. Even a mediocre performance by someone that good is going to be very good for someone else.

hmm.... interesting remark - I do agree that 5 dots is obviously very talented, but I'm wondering if you ascribe more "power" to a 5-Performance character's successes than a 3-Performance character's successes?

if that made any sense...

And you make my earlier comment more applicable:
If Caitlyn's a world-class performer, than why would she be struggling?

But I thought of something earlier :
Just because someone performs their ass off (even if they get 5 or more successes), does that necessarily follow that the whole audience will be enraptured?
I've seen many performances that I thought were quite amazing, whereas someone else slept thru it.

Can we actually boil down the impact a Performance has on the audience to the number of successes that are rolled?
I'd guess that maybe some people don't like music, and were busy doing other things.
I'd guess that some people don't like the genre of music played, and were busy thinking about something else.
I'd guess that some people who even like the genre might have been turned off by the music of the band, so that they couldn't properly appreciate the singer's above-average performance (I've seen that IRL lots of times, haven't you guys?)

I don't really have any point to all this writing, I'm just sharing thoughts, and ideas about the system, and hoping that some of them help the game...

 

[reapersaurus]

Even so, what is the harm in two beautiful women?

And I think I already went through the reasons for my clan ideas earlier.

EDIT: Vamps get more attribute and ability points than humans anyway. And you have 15 freebies so I'm guessing that the 21 comes from the Human not getting those extra dots.

There's nothing wrong with 2 beautiful women, that's for damn sure LOL but when 2 people are playing the same instrument, there's only so many notes on the scale, if youknowwhatimean.

And I know you went over your clan ideas - I still don't get how she's anything but Toreador.
I'm sorry. I'm being superficial, because I don't know you, and can't project well to get a good picture of a personality until I see the way you play you.. I mean her (Caitlyn) - damn, it's confusing that you put a lot of yourself in the character of Caitlyn.

about your Edit: I'd guess the same thing.
It just messes it up when (and if) that human goes vamp: there could be no more freebie points, since it's already been factored in...

 

[reapersaurus]

god, I've got diarrhea of the fingers today.

I guess I just like thinking about this system.
Or I like thinking about the characters.
Or I like discussing things with people who have a strong sense of their characters, and put time and thought into it.
Or I like being in a game on the boards with my wife.

Maybe a combo of things...

 

[KitanaVorr]

I didn't put THAT much of me in her. Just some of my background and experiences to fill in some holes. Her personality is all her and life experience in New York is all her.

I'm not worried about not having freebie points because hopefully by then I would have saved up enough dots through roleplaying that I can spend those when it does happen. Like I said, I hadn't planned on her being embraced right on the spot.

And since I myself am a musician I shall point out that when I play duets on the same piano, both players sound just as beautiful playing at the same time.

Besides, it doesn't bother me at all if Vych is high up on charisma and appearance at all so why should it matter?

So unless it bothers Vych, let us play the characters we want to play and SHUSH =P reaper shush.

And again with the clan ideas...yes she is perfect for Toreador but I want her to be part of a different clan more for story and character development then following it exactly.

EDIT: So bug her too about it and not just me! =)

 

[Vychtorya]

This is my first game to run online. I'm begging for patience as well.

Living outside the city is fine Vych. Whatever you want.

Thanks Ash You definitely have my patience. It's not easy to be a DM when not online, but I am finding even playing on line is more difficult. I do have to say I'm starting to like it though. It's been awhile since I got to play Vych so I am REALLY excited about the game!

I think for now, since they just got to NYC, I will have them live above the club for a while. I re-thought it a bit. While they have enough funds to easily do both, it really doesn't lend anything to where I would like to see the story to go. Eventually, I would like them to be able to have/host Elysium if the Prince would see it fit to grant them that. Maybe once the story evolves a bit, time would lend itself to owning a house. The club apartment can only hold small gatherings upstairs, but downstairs in the club itself there is plenty of room.

Anyway, thanks again for your help. Kit's been helpful too. I think this is gonna be a great game!

 

[Vychtorya]

And since I myself am a musician I shall point out that when I play duets on the same piano, both players sound just as beautiful playing at the same time.

That's cool! Reaper is a percussionist and I am a clarinetist. Having played many duets myself over the years, both with those better than myself and with those not as skilled, one performer still stands out at times to the audience. But in relation to the game, Vych would not perform at the same time as Cait anyway. So levels of performance aren't a problem.

Besides, it doesn't bother me at all if Vych is high up on charisma and appearance at all so why should it matter?[/QUOTE]I think Reap was just trying to show a possible conflict if we are both in the same room at the same time. Appearance is appearance and even if we weren't "someone's type" so to speak, we still would catch their eye. It doesn't pose a conflict between the two of us really (except if Vych is trying to schmooz and Cait interrupts the conversation by her presence or vice versa - which is BOUND to happen - Vych thinks Cait's pretty, and pretty things attract her clan type). Also, the conflict could be Cait catching someone's attention that Vych is talking to or if Cait gets a really good success roll, then she could enrapture Vych. Anything is possible. It could happen the other way around too. Cait's a hottie! Vych could also take away attention from Cait. It's up to Ash and the situation really. I think it will be fun or at least interesting.

So unless it bothers Vych, let us play the characters we want to play and SHUSH =P reaper shush.[/QUOTE]It doesn't bother me per se, but I see his points.

And again with the clan ideas...yes she is perfect for Toreador but I want her to be part of a different clan more for story and character development then following it exactly.[/QUOTE]Vych does not plan on trying to bite her. She has enough willpower to resist it and also has a herd so that will help. However, she would like to try to help Cait achieve her goals as well as help Carrick with his. Vych is a caregiver type. (Not to be confused with mommy type please.)

EDIT: So bug her too about it and not just me! =) [/QUOTE]Sorry Kit He's probably not gonna bug me stat wise since I have had this character for quite awhile - playing her in our role playing groups - just had to change a couple of things to make her work for this story.
But believe me, he WILL call me on stuff and bug me too. He has already actually. Reap is the most honest and fair person I know. (I didn't say that because we are married either - we were friends for years before we were married - just got back from our 10 yr anniversary celebration actually.)
He also loves to talk OOC. He likes to flesh out all the characters. It helps the game play when do play face to face roleplay on the weekends. He likes discussions. It's a good thing.

(if i have grammatical errors, I appologize in advance to everyone. I have our 2 yr old constantly pulling at me or attempting to reach the keyboard)

 

[Shalimar]

(if i have grammatical errors, I appologize in advance to everyone. I have our 2 yr old constantly pulling at me or attempting to reach the keyboard)

I know what that is like. My nephew is also two. At the moment he is sitting on my lap trying to hit the keys. I love him to death, and he's cute as hell but it can get annoying.

 

[reapersaurus]

I've learned the left-hand-block technique while the right hand types, one-finger-style... LOL
(I'm at work right now, Vych's at home)

Sometimes our boy slips a finger past my defenses though, and cancels an entire post.
I still don't know how he does it - I can't find one key that obliterates a post (not even the escape key) but he manages to find it.

 

[KitanaVorr]

Kewl I play the piano and the saxophone but I'm really a more of a voice person.

LOL okay my turn for a long rant. What? I have 2 for every 5 reaper puts in, hehe

Well for starters with all this talk, Cate is still human and she'll be human for a while as far as I know unless Ash has something in mind.

I'm also more of a roleplaying person and less of a dice person. So having dice to back me up is nice, but I'm counting more on my ability to invoke the correct response with my writing. I've never played Vampire before so I don't really understand what the problems are with it all.

Also about him talking to you about stats, he'd have better luck convincing you about yours than me cuz I'm not the wife and honestly he's got no pull over me whatsoever, hehe. Besides I've never had a chance to play Cate before whereas you've already played Vych before.

Anyway, if Ash thought there would be a problem, he would have said something before we were so invested in it all. So I'm guessing its all okee dokee.

I don't mind discussing characters and things like that but if he wants to truly be fair, he needs to bring up Vych as part of the "inequality" or whatever exactly he's referring to instead of basically saying "Vych can't do this because of Cate".

Well, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

It makes the character interaction much more interesting so I don't mind at all. If someone loses interest in her because Vych walks in the room, so be it. Cate needs to find another way to keep their attention other than flashing her looks or charm.

So to take that to the level of Cate, she is who she is. She is a young idealistic, slightly naive girl who underestimates herself, but she knows one thing. She adores music and she dreams of true love. That one estatic feeling that just envelopes you and gives feeling to song. In a city she doesn't know too well, she's a little scared, pretty much alone, and trying to fit in. I don't think that sounds like Vych at all. I think that sounds just like Cate.