{Vampire: The Masquerade - OOC} New York by Night

[Shalimar]

I just don't see things like Shalimar risking her character by having Sabrina use an active power in Elysium, just to play her true.
I enjoyed that immensely.
I'm hoping Vych can reply before Catulle has to step in with an official response, which COULD potentially be quite strict, if the Sherrif or someone has to intervene in what is obviously an example where Sabrina's elders have been remiss in sending her to Elysium with no food, OR training...
I could see how her elders would even be reprimanded for little Sabrina's actions...

Well, if I was cnsidering my actions ot of character it would take away from my enjoyment of her, so had to do what she would do, it wasn't realy of question of should she do it, but, would she do it, and the answer is an unequivicable yes. She just doesn't know any better.

I doubt it could be placed entirely at Nathan's feet if something happens.
A)He wasn't the one who embraced her
B)She was embraced the night before, most kindred are kept in seclusion until they are presented
C)Attendance was manditory, so he didn't have a choice about bringing her

If it brings any heat down it should bring some back down on Elizabe if Nathan has to make any explinations

 

[Catulle]

From the V:tM book, FYI as regards Sabrina's use of Awe (presence 1):-

"Awe amplifies the sublime magnetism this discipline gives the vampire. Those near the vampire suddenly desire to be closer to her and are very receptive to her point of view. Awe is extremely useful for mass communication. It matters little what is said - the hearts of those affected lean toward the vampire's opinion. The weak want to agree with her, even if the strong-willed resist, they soon find themselves outnumbered. Awe can turn a chancy deliberation into a certain resolution in the vampire's favour almost before her opponants know that the tide has turned.

"Despite the intensity of this attraction, those smitten do not lose their sense of self-preservation. Danger breaks the spell of fascination, as does leaving the area. Those subject to Awe will remember how they felt in the vampire's presence, however. This will influence their reactions should they ever encounter her again."


The roll generates the number of people affected in the vicinity who can see her face starting with those with the lowest willpower. A vampire could spend 1 willpower to resist for a trun, and leave in that turn (thus avoiding the effects). Presence is a pretty subtle power under most circumstances (at least, it's described that way - Dread Gaze isn't at all...), and you'd have to be pretty clued in even as a vampire to notice straight off the bat that you were being affected (or if for example the user was a deadly enemy, once you left the effect's vicinity). Of course, given time and opportunity to consider...

Vis a vis 'exceedign the limits', I think it's best to cross that bridge when (if) we come to it. We may never...

On the other hand, I suspect a Sabbat game would not go down too well on these boards. Pity. I like the Sabbat (and they're not necessarily about all-out schlockfests either).

Reaper - or, given there's no Prince, it could (more usefully?) get those elders blackmailed...

Shalimar - of course, one of the 'unwritten rules' of camarilla society is that you are allowed to do exactly and no more than you can get away with doing (without reflecting poorly on one's elders).

Regards,

Barry

 

[KitanaVorr]

hmm then would cate's reaction be too much?

 

[Catulle]

Maybe just a hint on the strong side - if you want to mollify it a little, I won't bear it too heavily in mind in my next post to give you some edit time.

Regards,

Barry

 

[Vychtorya]

I will try to post as often as I can over the next couple of days. I have a really bad case of the flu. Hopefully Reap will dodge it.

I did enjoy reading all the posts tonight / this morning I guess - in and out of character.

Good use of presence Shal!

I LOVE the interaction between Nikolai and Gabriel!

And Kit, I love the music links! It's nice to see someone else feels music like I do.

 

[KitanaVorr]

Maybe a hint - if you want to mollify it a little, I won't bear it too heavily in mind in my next post to give you some edit time.

Regards,

Barry

After thinking about it some, I figured that Cate's reactions to vampire powers would probably be slightly stronger than a normal vamp because she doesn't know the power exists and she doesn't have any "supernatural" effects either.

What do you think? If so, then I'll always make her reaction one hint stronger than the average vamp.

EDIT:

I did modify my post to take it down a notch to more like "oh I forgot something" instead of "oh! child!"

 

[KitanaVorr]

Originally posted by Vychtorya
I will try to post as often as I can over the next couple of days. I have a really bad case of the flu. Hopefully Reap will dodge it.

aww! that sucks ;(

Well I hope you feel better! And since Barry won't be posting this weekend either at least you won't miss too much of the major action.

So get lots of rest and return to us all better for another fast-paced round of posting next week!

 

[Ashrem Bayle]

How much does Gabriel know about Wainwright? How much does Gabriel know that Wainwright knows about him?

 

[Catulle]

I'm picturing this hairy, pot-bellied guy in a too-tight tutu, toting beer cans around.

ugh - nice mental image, Barry -
hope it wasn't "that" kind of party...

I only just spotted this... and I must categorically state that, of the many things I am, hairy and overweight aren't even close to being on the list. But it was 'that' kind of party. Alas.


It's worth my time, I think, to make some general comments about Presence, just for bearing in mind as part of the cut and thrust of roleplaying conversation and reactions, again, from the V:tM book:

"Quite aside from the deliberate effects, Presence conveys upon the vampire an indescribable mystique. She stands out in any crowd, drawing the interest (and often desire) of those around her even when she's merely standing still. The higher the vampire's Presence, the greater this allure and the more powerful its impact on others"

I'd add the house rule that this 'passive' effect can be dampened for a scene with the expenditure of a willpower point, if that's cool by everybody.

In practice, we see that of our PCs, Max has 2, Sabrina 1, and Vychtorya 3 dots of Presence. Interestingly, of the group assembled together at the moment in Elysium, Carrick and Nathaniel both have equal to or more then all three. Perhaps why Sabrina felt 'cut out' of the conversation? Even the very basic applications of the presence discipline are more potent than this passive effect, after all.
To contrast, the Kindred with the most Presence in the room are Valentine and Qadir - but both manifest in different ways, according to their demeanours (Valentine radiates good cheer and 'pleasant' emotions; Qadir gives people the strong sense that he's weighing them up...). Note, however, that this effect is in addition to normal social attributes - think of it as 'weight of demeanour' and I don't think you're far off the mark.

Ash - Gabriel will be aware of pretty much the information on the .pdf about Wainwright. He may suspect (but not know) that the dwarf regent knows a lot more about him...

Kit - It's not a matter of 'stronger reaction, IMO. One of the beauties of Presence that it is just as effective against a Methuselah as it is against a mortal. The advantage of being a vampire in this case is in having the savvy to realise that you're being affected and take steps to resist.

Regards,

Barry

 

[Catulle]

Ash - You can't spend willpower to resist Telepathy, if that's what you meant on the IC thread. The only defence against it is basically having a high willpower and/or the user being unable/unwilling to spend the necessary willpower to use to power on another vampire.

Regards,

Barry