Ashrem Bayle
Explorer
Oops. I forgot. I knew a willpower point was in there somewhere. 
{Vampire: The Masquerade - OOC} New York by Night
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reapersaurus
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yeah, that's where it gets kind of confusing/frustrating for me.
Catulle- how much should we keep the New York by Night book in mind?
I know that you are liable to change anything in it, at any time, but I've found that it really helps me flesh out some of the details to make the game more enriching and full-bodied for me.
I know NYbN is not required reading, and that the information contained within does not trump any info in the thread, but... basically, isn't it a good resource to shed some light on some character's motivations, and help us to interact better?
I know there's a danger of leaning on the info too much, or meta-gaming, but I for one trust you guys to not meta-game (which Shalimar - that's the reason why I listed Nikolai's 'Dark' Secret Flaw - because I trust that just because you players know of it, your character do NOT.)
As for Wainwright - from NYbN, he'd be Gabriel's biggest ally, wouldn't he?
Catulle- how much should we keep the New York by Night book in mind?
I know that you are liable to change anything in it, at any time, but I've found that it really helps me flesh out some of the details to make the game more enriching and full-bodied for me.
I know NYbN is not required reading, and that the information contained within does not trump any info in the thread, but... basically, isn't it a good resource to shed some light on some character's motivations, and help us to interact better?
I know there's a danger of leaning on the info too much, or meta-gaming, but I for one trust you guys to not meta-game (which Shalimar - that's the reason why I listed Nikolai's 'Dark' Secret Flaw - because I trust that just because you players know of it, your character do NOT.)
As for Wainwright - from NYbN, he'd be Gabriel's biggest ally, wouldn't he?
reapersaurus
Explorer
Catulle - since you seem to like to talk about Vampire:tM mechanics (and I love to), is it OKK to point oput that I think it's interesting that you are 'allowing' a passive effect of Presence to influence social interaction, even in Elysium, yet you told me that Auspex (which is a completely internal, non-noticeable power) isn't accepted to be used in Elysium.
Could you help me understand how you're approaching and differentiating the 2?
edit: please don't view this as being argumentative - I just like to talk about gaming approaches, and want to see how you view these powers.
Could you help me understand how you're approaching and differentiating the 2?
edit: please don't view this as being argumentative - I just like to talk about gaming approaches, and want to see how you view these powers.
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Ashrem Bayle
Explorer
Just my 2 cents.
If presence has a passive effect that cannot be helped by the vampire, I would say it is ok in Elysium simply because the vampire can't help it.
If the passive effect is rather weak (which it seems to be), maybe it isn't a problem. After all, it doesn't cause you to behave any way you wouldn't normally behave. It just causes those people to stand out a little. That could be more harmful to the vampire than beneficial.
However, if there is a way to deactivate it, it should be at least frowned upon. Assuming of course, anyone is aware of it. If it is that passive, most wouldn't notice anything supernatural was going on.
I definatly think that use of the actual powers (awe, majesty etc.) should be prohibited, but that has already been stated.
If presence has a passive effect that cannot be helped by the vampire, I would say it is ok in Elysium simply because the vampire can't help it.
If the passive effect is rather weak (which it seems to be), maybe it isn't a problem. After all, it doesn't cause you to behave any way you wouldn't normally behave. It just causes those people to stand out a little. That could be more harmful to the vampire than beneficial.
However, if there is a way to deactivate it, it should be at least frowned upon. Assuming of course, anyone is aware of it. If it is that passive, most wouldn't notice anything supernatural was going on.
I definatly think that use of the actual powers (awe, majesty etc.) should be prohibited, but that has already been stated.
Catulle
Hero
No problems at all, either of you.
The distinction, as I see it, is that concentration is required to use Auspex - the vampire chooses when to use it, and it's a power, rather than a 'side effect'. With 'passive Presence', it's a matter of the vampire not having anything approaching active control over the target, etc. (which is why I proposed the house rule for your scrutiny.. note the shift to an (expensive) ammount of control over its use which is at the centre of the idea). In the same way that it's not an offense against the spirit of Elysium to be an attractive person, it isn't to have Presence and be, well, an attractive person. On the other hand, snooping on others is quite against the notion of neutral ground (note, always, that doing something and getting caught are very, very different things).
Likewise, the 'active' use of Obfuscate can be permissible on Elysium for some reasons (Nosferatu concealing their hideous visages, for example) and yet not for others (hiding to spy on others). Mind you if they're doing it, they've likely got away with if in the case of Obfuscate, so perhaps it's not the best example.
Note that Animalism, Dementation and Dominate have 'passive' features as well, varying in usefulness and subtlety.
Regards,
Barry
The distinction, as I see it, is that concentration is required to use Auspex - the vampire chooses when to use it, and it's a power, rather than a 'side effect'. With 'passive Presence', it's a matter of the vampire not having anything approaching active control over the target, etc. (which is why I proposed the house rule for your scrutiny.. note the shift to an (expensive) ammount of control over its use which is at the centre of the idea). In the same way that it's not an offense against the spirit of Elysium to be an attractive person, it isn't to have Presence and be, well, an attractive person. On the other hand, snooping on others is quite against the notion of neutral ground (note, always, that doing something and getting caught are very, very different things).
Likewise, the 'active' use of Obfuscate can be permissible on Elysium for some reasons (Nosferatu concealing their hideous visages, for example) and yet not for others (hiding to spy on others). Mind you if they're doing it, they've likely got away with if in the case of Obfuscate, so perhaps it's not the best example.
Note that Animalism, Dementation and Dominate have 'passive' features as well, varying in usefulness and subtlety.
Regards,
Barry
KitanaVorr
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Vychtorya said:Hey Kit
I just got to read the OOC thread. Based on the info there and the latest IC post, I edited my last post so it would flow better and make more sense.
=P
that messes me up though
I think it was fine the way it was before. Could you please put it back that way?
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KitanaVorr
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Oh and to explain why in case you were wondering.
I know this is specific, but once people react to a post with their own post, it really sort of messes people if you change it later on down the line.
See what Vychtorya did was highly improper and it stands out in Caitlyn's mind so it affects how she sees her. So I wrote my responses after that with everything you had written in mind.
Could you please put it back exactly the way it was?
Thanks!
Kit
I know this is specific, but once people react to a post with their own post, it really sort of messes people if you change it later on down the line.
See what Vychtorya did was highly improper and it stands out in Caitlyn's mind so it affects how she sees her. So I wrote my responses after that with everything you had written in mind.
Could you please put it back exactly the way it was?
Thanks!
Kit
Shalimar
First Post
I have to agree with both of you. You should be able to edit your posts, it only makes sense, but there has to be a limit.
Once someone reacts to your post, then you have to keep the actions the same or the game loses some of its coherece. So long as you keepyour actions, editing for spelling is fine.
Once someone reacts to your post, then you have to keep the actions the same or the game loses some of its coherece. So long as you keepyour actions, editing for spelling is fine.
KitanaVorr
First Post
I see you fixed it!
Thanks Vych! Awesome
Thanks Vych! Awesome
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