{Vampire: The Masquerade - OOC} New York by Night

[KitanaVorr]

oh hey

just to let ya'all know.

I've been ignoring this ettiquette breach when I post because the characters should know better with their ettiquette training (its a pretty basic rule), but I figured I should mention it now to avoid any misunderstandings in the future.

One should never call someone by their first name in a formal environment without getting permission like Carrick and Vych did -- but Cate never answered either of them -- for reasons that will be revealed only in game.

The only people Cate gave permission to call her by her first name and the nickname Cate is : Jemal, Nathan, Sabrina, and Max.

Vych, I know that you meant it to be extra friendly to Cate and if Vychtorya really did mean to call her by her first name without permission, then let me know. But if Vychtorya would know not to say that, and would not have done that then if Vychtorya could stop calling her "cate" or "caitlyn" in future posts without securing her permission first hehe my eyebrow can stop twitching every time I see that.

I know that her reaction to Vychtorya and Carrick probably isn't what anyone expected, but there is a real reason for that in her background.

btw in the question and answer stuff that I posted for Ash, I left out alot of secrets and twists so don't take that as being the only thing that is Cate.



thanks!

 

[Catulle]

Yeah, I'm a little early and a lot underslept. The ferry was a lot easier coming back and the rugby kept traffic to a minimum. Yay!

I think the post before this one illustrates quite well why a degree of filtering is useful in this, and other, examples... I'll do a little quoting, more as an academic exercise in showing how the opposite viewpoint might have been picked up from the same sources (rather than in the interests of prolonging debate).


"in a formal environment"

In a formal environment, the same rules are rarely, if ever, applied to the company (guests) and the staff (people being paid to attend) equally. Most everybody would realise that, especially those with relevent etiquette skills, and the fact that that was not being observed could lead to the deduction that this was not a strict formal affair.


"but Cate never answered either of them"

Again, this presupposes formality. If the company are talking at length with the staff on non-superficial topics, that formality really goes out of the window. Likewise, if one is to assume formality, for a member of staff to ignore a polite request by a guest is quite the faux pas in and of itself.


Suede, khakis and cardigans are not formalwear...


To assume formality in an informal setting is standoffish (a la Nathaniel)


To assume informality in a formal setting is rude.


Note that Valentine called her 'Cate' as well...


The etiquette skill isn't just about formal etiquette, it's the ability to 'get by' (not necessarily excel) in just about any social situation. The emphasis of the skill represents the culture you're most familiar with (examples include Kindred Society, Formal Dinners, Business and Street Culture).


Of course, when I post, I don't have the time to quote/add each and every sentence spoken to an NPC for fear of clogging - it seems reasonable to assume that the socially-clued-in aren't ignoring anybody (unless indicated that they are), and prevents, well, this kind of circular debate. If it looks unclear, a note here should clear it up.


Now, I'd think that we'd be best off keeping it in mind that the characters' capabilities can (and will) exceed our own (particularly in my case, believe me) and I'd certainly be much more comfortable with a more forgiving environment. That said, I'll seek to clarify whenever a question is raised and try to keep the discord to a minimum.

Regards,

Barry

 

[KitanaVorr]

Yep

It is a faux pas definitely for Cate to ignore it and absolutely meant when I had her do that. And you're right that the same rules don't apply to Staff vs Guests. Yes I know Valentine did but I assumed that he got permission to do so when they spoke before the party.

I was trying to emphasize the awkwardness of Cate's position at the party by doing all that. And her continuing awkwardness afterwards at being called with such familiarity. This is her first time at being 'on the other side' so to speak and she doesn't know how to react to the whole thing quite yet.

However I do realize I'm being totally nutty about this thing and I do apologize for it. After thinking about it some, I realize that the whole formal party thing just brought back alot of not so pleasant memories for me from my past and that probably had something to do with it.

There is a dark side to a formal party and after being to endless numbers of them I will tell you that most of the time all I can think of when I'm at one is that I was going to go crazy, that I felt trapped, and I wanted to just stand in the middle of the whole thing and scream my head off. But of course you can't, and decorum must be upheld.

EDIT:

And Vychtorya (the character) reminds me of my mother -the social goddess- and that sort of freaks me a little, but thats my own issues to deal with...hehe

 

[KitanaVorr]

oh hey! I see Vych posted. Welcome back! I hope you're feeling better from the flu.

 

[Shalimar]

Umm... I don't quite know how to say this, so here goes:

I cannot really go by anything except what people post, for a few reasons. If I have to look through the filter of someones stats, then I, and everyone else have to make assumptions based on their character's posts. If we are all assuming, then we are all going to be left with distinctly different impressions of what going on at any given moment. If we are all seeing each post differently then its going to cause a lot of conflicts that just don't make sense. If you want to do something your character can, and that you can't, then you roll for it, use your stats, thats what they are there for.

Sabrina is rather bouncy and generally agreeable, so it wont be a big issue, but, I think unless a roll is involved in which case catulle says what happens, we have to go by what IS actually posted. If we just saw things through the filter of stats, then people will always succeed without rolls, and everyone will like everyone because they see all of their actions in the best possible light, which clearly isn't the case, people can actually take things the wrong way.

 

[reapersaurus]

The scene sees Gabriel and Nikolai waiting to meet with Qadir in a downtown diner, their usual pickup point when working with the sheriff. The place is deserted, save for the waitress, cook and a clearly homeless man taking advantage of the refill policy to stay warm for just a few hours longer.

Nikolai pounces on the homeless man, who's obviously The Red Poet in disguise.
"Ha! Thought you could fool ME, eh, Beast?!"

j/k

BTW - I looked in the IC thread for Catulle's all important scene-setting post, and was surprised to see it in the OOC thread instead.

Should this have been put in the IC?
If so, maybe if we asked creamsteak or garyh if they could move it and insert it where you want, it might help the quite-impressive story we're creating.

 

[Festy_Dog]

Max has 7xp. Want to spend some?

Hmm, but what to spend it on?

Oh yeah, how would I calculate how much blood Max has currently? Or is he assumed to have not fed since the last scene (a week ago)?

 

[KitanaVorr]

Okay Barry, Cate is all set!

I'll wait until you post her arriving or something when you think it would be appropriate unless you had something else in mind. I don't mind changing my last post.

 

[Catulle]

Ooh, yes... blood points - I'll set the state of affairs at 1d10 plus herd, less what's 'spent' in downtime - if it's low, you can choose to 'live dangerously' in the downtime period to try to get more, or hunt during the scene:-

Caitlyn - 10 blood (naturally)
Gabriel - 10 blood
Jemal - 6 blood
Max - 9 blood
Nikolai - 9 blood (less however many foci he's made)
Sabrina - 4 blood (d'oh!)
Vychtorya - 11 blood

I expect some of you will want to 'over hunt' a little, just give me the nod here if you do. It may be risk-free, it may not...

Reaper - I was kind of hoping in posting the scene setting stuff here that you'd play about with the set dressing as pleased you. The quotation works too, though. Whatever you're comfortable with.

Max - you could afford a point of either Potence or Presence and a point of (sorely needed) willpower for the grand total of 7xp.

Nothing is better than dread gaze,

Barry

 

[Shalimar]

Well, Vych already fed, but Jemal and I both need to feed, BAD, there is no way in hell that Jemal would let Sabrina be that hungry when he knows Cate is coming over, it just makes no sense, and would be very very dangerous.

I am not sure this method of determination really works. I mean, It makes no sense for everyone to always be full whenever we get to a scene, but we all do feed regularly. I know Sabrina would have complained and whined like there was no tomorrow if she was anywhere close to 5, thats why i put in my post that the last time that she had been fed by Jemal was the night before, so that I could be sure we wouldn't have a repeat of the banquet, with her trying to snack on Cate.

I think the best method would be to have it be within a few ( 1-3 picked randomly) of the max, no one would want to risk a frenzy, and with just a simple rolling of a d10 you could end up with someone having a 1, something there would be no possible way for them to get as they would have fed until sated when they got close to the point where they 'might' frenzy. Since none of us wants to frenzy wouldn't we all feed before we got even close to that?

Either way, Sabrina needs more blood if all she has is 4, or she most likely will kill Cate, and I'll have to rewrite my post due to her being a slave of her hunger, and not really capable of much thought, she is a child with the 'ME NOW' mindset after all. From an incharacter perspective, she would want to feed as often as possible if just for the pleasue, and if she were actually hungry she wouldn't put off feeding at all, and Jemal and Nathan would definitely know it, certainly if it came from a tantrum, which it would for something she sees as that serious.