warpriest

[cossakking]

does anybody have more information about this class. The requirements list domains that you need to have, then sort of imply that if you can cast a spell from that domain in counts as access...of course that means that if you can cast divine spells you qualify....

 

[mikebr99]

BAB +5
Diplomacy +5
Sense motive +5
combat casting, leadership

access to at least 1 of: destruction, protection, strength, or war. A character who can cast at least 1 spell from a domain counts as having access for this purpose... i.e. can be a 1st level cleric.

 

[mikebr99]

Clairification...
must be a 1st level cleric (mininum) with at least one of these domains to qualify for this PrC.

 

[Corwin]

...of course that means that if you can cast divine spells you qualify....

What it means is that you don't have to be able to cast all 9 levels of spells within that domain to qualify. If you have access to the domain(s) required and can cast at least the 1st level spell in it/them, you are good to go.

No, it doesn't mean that any divine spellcaster who happens to be able to cast any spell on the domain list can qualifies. That would be silly. If that were the intent, then it would simply have been listed like other classes, something similar to: "Must be able to cast 1st level divine spells".

Hope that helps.

 

[strongbow]

I politely disagree with you Corwin in your interpretation about the requirements for the Warpriest class. I believe that the text states its intentions clearly. If a character can cast ANY spell from ANY of those domains, that character qualifies. There are other classes beyond the Cleric, Druid, Ranger, Paladin that can cast divine spells. Not all divine casting classes will qualify.

If you could kindly direct me to the portion of DoF that states that you must be a cleric with one of the relevant domains to take the class, then I will agree with you. From my reading of DoF in the past, the designers worded the requirements poorly but they stand as written.

i offer the following as evidence in my favor:

Although it has been a long time since I have read DoF, I believe the introductory "flavor text" part of the Master of Shrouds PrC says something to the effect that druids, clerics, and sometimes even rangers take this class. How could rangers or druids take this class if they weren't multiclassed clerics? Multiclassing would pose problems for non human races for starters. A ranger qualifies for the class since he/she can cast Protection from Elements, which is a 3rd level Protection Domain, 2nd level Ranger spell. Unless the designers completely messed up, they did not design all the PrC to be so restrictive. I await your response.

 

[mikebr99]

Strongbow...
You are right about the ranger and druid being mentioned in the opening description of the Master of Shrouds, but in the requirements it states specifically that you have to have the "ability to cast divine spells, and access to at least 1 of these domains: death, evil, or protection". it also states "a character who can cast at least 1 spell from a domain counts as having access for this purpose".

So, yes druids and rangers can enter this PrC, but they need at least 1 level of cleric (w/death, evil, or protection domains) to do it.

The warpriest is worded the same way, anyone can enter, provided they have at least 1 cleric (w/ approved domains) level.

 

[Corwin]

I politely disagree with you Corwin...

And I must rudely flame you for... oh wait, no I don't.

I believe that the text states its intentions clearly. If a character can cast ANY spell from ANY of those domains, that character qualifies. There are other classes beyond the Cleric, Druid, Ranger, Paladin that can cast divine spells. Not all divine casting classes will qualify.

Here I both agree and disagree, oddly enough. True, all a person has to do is be able to cast any one spell form any of the specified domains. However, that also doesn't mean that a druid casting endure elements is casting from the Strength Domain. Only when you are able to cast endure elements from your Strength Domain does it them qualify you for the PrC. It is also true that there are other classes that cast divine spells. However, that has nothing to do with admittance to the warpriest PrC. To be a warpriest, you must have access to one of the listed domains.

i offer the following as evidence in my favor: <snip>

And I reitterate my evidence:

If all that was required was the ability to cast a divine spell that happens to be listed on multiple core domains, they would have simply stated "Must be able to cast divine spells" like they have done in countless other PrC requirements.

Regardless of whether you believe it to be worded poorly or what it implies, it seems clear to me as well. I don't see it your way at all. I see it as requiring you to be able to cast a domain spell from the listed domains. To do so you must have that domain. So I guess it isn't as clear as either of us think. But that doesn't mean logic shouldn't play a part. It is logical, IMO, to fall back on the fact that the domains are listed and so you must have access to at least one of them to qualify.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Corwin and Mike are correct. You need to have access to the domains themselves, not just spells of the same name.

 

[Crothian]

Corwin and Mike are correct. You need to have access to the domains themselves, not just spells of the same name.

I'll put my little support behind this. That's the way I read it and still read it now.

 

[strongbow]

Funny Corwin, very funny

Since this is no DoF errata, do any of you know where we could find a definitive answer for our debate? Any dormant threads, designer Q&A, sage rulings? I would think that this has come up before. I know I'm in the minority, but I'm not being completely illogical. I don't have anything to add.