Was Gandalf Just A 5th Level Magic User?

This article from Dragon Magazine, back in 1977, is likely very familiar to many of you (feel free to yawn - this item isn't for you!) However, there are many newer fans of D&D who don't even remember Dragon Magazine, let alone issues from nearly 40 years ago. In the article, Bill Seligman posits that Gandalf was merely a 5th level magic-user. Given Cubicle 7's recent announcement about an official Middle Earth setting for D&D, it seems like a nostalgia piece worth revisiting.

Some folks I hear discussing this topic these days take the position that Gandalf is actually a paladin. Certainly "wizards" in Tolkien's works aren't the same magic-missile-throwing folks as in regular D&D; in fact there are only five wizards in the whole of Middle Earth - and at least one of them (the 7th Doctor) is very clearly a druid.

What do you think? Is Gandalf a 5th level magic-user? What about in 5th Edition, given the upcoming Middle Earth release? I'm sure Cubicle 7 will tells for certain this summer, but until then...

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Now where to start. So many of you fine gentlefolk have already made most of the best points. I can only full heartedly agree with most of those. Yes Gandalf is neither human nor a mage in DnD terms. Although he is familiar and proficient in some spell casting (as already quoted on this forum), most of his power (and i dare say the greatest part) doesn't come from his spells, but rather from his nature and "jurisdiction"...As most have concluded, he does manifest affinity to manipulate fire.

There is a complication here. Fire isn't part of Gandalf's natural jurisdiction as a vassal of Varda (or possibly Manwe). He is essential an Angel of wisdom and hope, learning and words, light and truth, and has some jurisdiction over those things. He also appears to have personal knowledge of magical lore and words of power, related to study of the things within his authority, and so to be able to cast 'spells' using those words and his natural authority. Essentially, he knows stuff about the universe and being who he is, has a right to command it. So he might have learned things about fire, but we know from the text that the primary source of his authority over fire is his possession of Narya - the Ring of Power concerned with the element of fire. Narya vastly increases Gandalf's ability with fire, giving him much greater command over fire itself than he'd have without it. In D&D terms, assuming Narya is something like a Ring of Elemental Command, we can't be certain whether anything Gandalf does with fire can't be explained as a power of Narya and not something in one of Gandalf's spell slots as a wizard. We can be reasonably sure that nothing he does with fire is equivalent to Gandalf's racial abilities, since fire wouldn't be part of his 'portfolio'.

Some for of fire balls or other related actions or "spells" thus seam fitting. In at least one case (on Wethertop) when he was surrounded by Nazgul he seams to have "cast" something that appears to be (i am sure i got the name wrong) a 2E Fire Blast or Flame Blast, that is a powerful fireball that originates from the caster. Find the level of that spell, the level needed to cast it at least once, and you have the minimum level right there.

And thus the complication. It's possible that any powerful manifestation of fire that Gandalf does is simply Gandalf invoking Narya's ability to cast Fire Blast or Flamestrike or whatever.

-During the Moria encounter both he and the Balrog engaged in a contest of wills and used both power words and wards to seal doors and walls. More difficult to quantify.

Not really. While there are parts of the text that are very hard to fit into D&D, I don't think this is one. Gandalf attempting to shut the door in Moria is the origin of the spell 'Hold Portal'. The Balrog simply cast 'dispel magic' or something of the sort, and beat Gandalf's caster level check. The rest is in D&D terms merely color, and an example of good RP.

Besides the fire and lighting abilities, he also seams to posses some kind of "Sacred Light" thingy and i don't mean the light he used to lead the way. Also difficult to quantify.

Again, not really. Gandalf occasionally uses Searing Light. That's probably a racial ability owing to his stature as a Ainur, rather than one of his Wizard abilities. It's easily explained in most editions of D&D with a race or template, only slightly customized or even depending on how you do it, not at all. I'm not clear on what the first appearance of the Searing Light spell is, but in my 1e suggested stat block, it would be an easy to fit into the powers of an Agathion just by putting it on his clerical spell list.
 
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Another point: the original OD&D had Balrog stats, before the whole copyright issue got involved and they were removed [though references to them remained]. It was a 10 HD monster, AC 2. A dozen or so dwarf fighters of 4th level or so could take it down - though with losses.

EDIT: And the Hold Portal spell explicitly said that Balrogs could defeat it - so I agree that's what Gandalf used in Moria.
 

You do know that NPCs can, you know, move around, right? That the 1st level ones won't just sit there to be killed, and the higher level ones won't wait for the monster to come to them?

Sure. That's why it probably took years to depopulate the city.

Yes, so the leader *himself* will give it a run for its money. But, clearly he's not alone. Any leader of a nation (the dwarves considered it so) would have a personal guard who were quite capable. And the dwarves are a militant race, so certainly they have security forces that are well above 1st level. There's going to be a whole bunch of combat capable characters in that city. If we accept Durin the top at 9th, then there's going to be enough 5th level characters to fill a mead hall. As soon as the Balrog comes a-callin', they're going to come out, and in aggregate they will take it down handily.

I'm fully prepared to except that there were many NPC's above 1st level in a city as great as Dwarrowdelf. Let's say the whole holds 20,000 dwarves, equivalent to Medieval London or Paris. I'm prepared to believe that there were hundreds of dwarves of 4th level or above, given both D&D demographics regarding dwarves and apparent Tolkien demographics. What I'm not prepared to believe is that any significant fraction of them had magical weapons, and without them they'd been largely or wholly helpless against the Balrog of Moria. Magic weapons just aren't that common in the Tolkien-verse.

Why should we believe that they lacked magical weapons? Because there is evidence elsewhere in the text. First, Gimli himself would have fit the characteristics of one of these King's mead hall dwarves. And not only that he would have been an important and high stature dwarf, and yet there is no evidence he ever possessed a magical weapon, nor did any or many of his kindred. Gimli probably is at the beginning of Fellowship 5th or 6th level, yet lacking a magic weapon, he would have been helpless against the Balrog even discounting the magical abilities of the creature - which are considerable, both in D&D, and presumably in the Tolkien universe as well (as Gandalf's peer in stature).

Similarly, in a universe like Forgotten Realms, when Boromir is presented by Elrond with a new sword as a present, we'd expect this transaction to involve a magic weapon. After all Elrond is defacto High King of the Elves remaining in Middle Earth (though entitled to claim the honor, he declines to do so), and Boromir is the prince designate of one of Middle Earth's most powerful kingdoms. But, the text gives us no reason to think this is actually the case, as the troll that tries to enter the chamber of Marzarbul seems completely immune to Boromir's weapon, and only Frodo's Sting - explicitly known from the text to be magical - is capable of biting that magical flesh despite Frodo's much weaker arms and lesser combat prowess. In other words, Boromir hit the thing, but couldn't overcome it's damage resistance, likely because his blade wasn't magical.

Also, Tolkien dwarves, unlike D&D dwarves, can't actually see in the dark. And an anti-Gandalf certainly would have had the power to fill tunnels with darkness, and extinguish fires and flames - powers largely reflected in the 1e type 6 with its ability to create darkness at will. Early on it can act like a perfect ambush predator, killing off dangerous dwarves as it encounters them, and fleeing if (rarely) threatened. Because it can detect magic at will, it knows when it can be threatened so its never going to jump into a fight were the odds aren't in its favor. The D&D version can use Symbol of Death to kill off individuals or even dozens of dwarves at a time - magic items or not - with no risk to itself, and it has other useful spells as well that I can't recall at the moment.

Gradually, as the heroic leaders of the community are killed off, it can take the offensive. Any dwarf without a magic weapon is toast, which was always most of them and by this time is almost all of them. The majority of foes won't even last a round, even if they had an ax +1, and he can kill off a half dozen at a time with ease. Of any 100 or so that try to band together to stand against him, a significant portion will end up fleeing or cowering in terror because of his aura of fear. In short, yes, a type VI demon in 1e really can kill off a whole city of dwarves using D&D demographics if you only assume that magic items, and especially potent items, are very rare in the particular campaign world.

It is not clear that the axe disappeared with Durin. All we know is that Balin's people found it - it could have been lost with Nain, Durin's son.

Fair point. All we know is that it wasn't successfully employed against the Balrog, who (certainly in D&D) had several abilities that would effectively thwart any would be wielder of it - flight (assuming wings), a vorpal blade, symbol of death, magical darkness, etc.

You don't need "the average" to be 6th. You need, maybe, a dozen such in the entire city, who would be called on when such a monster reared his ugly head.

DR 10/magic is a 3e innovation. In 1e, if you don't have a magical weapon, you are just out of luck against anything even as lowly as a gargoyle.

In essence, this argument assumes the conclusion - Gandalf is only a 5th level wizard...

No, Gandalf is only about a 5th level wizard because he never casts any spells above 3rd level, and additionally if he could have cast higher level spells then the story becomes problematic because higher level D&D spells can do things far beyond the observed abilities of anyone in the story. The only character that seems to have these higher level spells is Sauron, which neatly suggests just why he is so feared.

because we assume the demographics to be not just "most" NPCs are first level, but that characters of notable level in the population are nigh non-existent. I suggest that this is backwards. We should look at what happens in the books, and track back to what that means in D&Disms.

That's precisely what I am doing. Again, I think the critical point involving combat with a Type 6 demon in D&D terms is that magic items are rare, and that once the few high level characters that have them are assassinated, the rest of the community goes into an unrecoverable death spiral against any creature that requires a magic item to damage it.

Smaug is as big and old as dragons get. Balrogs are not far short of such a dragon (by description of combats in which they are featured). Work down from there.

Sure. But Smaug as say a 10HD ancient red dragon is harder in 1e AD&D to explain killing off a city of dwarves than a Balor is, simply because a 1e red dragon would run out of breath weapon long before the city ran out of dwarves, at which point those mead hall dwarves you mention start becoming very significant. Of course, if we assume Smaug used a later innovation of being able to split up his breaths into mini-breaths, or like 2e or later could breath once every 1d4 rounds, this problem goes away.

Stepping back a bit, you can get into the Tolkien mindset I think by consider Beowulf, a text Tolkien loved and translated. Those mead hall warriors of the Danes weren't simply 1HD weaklings. The problem was that Grendel was immune to their weapons. Slash and fight back however they might, they couldn't kill the thing. The same issue threatens the dwarves of Dwarrowdelf when faced with the creature from the black pit, who will eventually cause the name of the city to be changed.
 
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How I read the powers of the Maiar and Valar is that each had a finite power reservoir. Their essence or Angel energy. They could choose to invest that power according to their interests. Balrogs as 'spirits of fire' were like elementals. The dragons created a body that also had a breath weapon. That body was incredibly powerful, except that it was biological and therefore could be killed with a well placed arrow.

When the Maiar/Valar become 'fallen' they tend to become limited in their forms, which come to reflect their inner nature. Morgoth becomes trapped in his Dark Lord form after the Darkening of Valinor. Sauron loses the ability to take 'fair' deceptive forms after the Downfall of Numenor. The Balrogs become shadowy, and physical enough to be killed.

The Istari/Wizards are a bit different. They are Maiar, but their bodies seem to be created for them as part of their sending into Middle-Earth. Thus they could 'die' even without being fallen, and when Gandalf died, he had to be 'sent back' by higher authority - he couldn't just put on a new body.

I don't think there is any evidence the Dragons are Maiar, though, and the fact they seem to reproduce (there's a reference to 'Glaurung and his brood') argues against it. I think they are biological creatures corrupted and empowered by Morgoth.

Yavana (was it yavana with the trees?) Invested her power in green growing things, but then sank it all into the trees which could then be destroyed.

I don't think that is quite the same thing. Feanor also could never create another work to match the Silmarils, and he wasn't a Maia/Vala, so I think that's a more general rule of creating super 'magical' things in Tolkien's universe rather than having to do with the angelic powers of Maiar/Valar specifically.

If the Trees had been to Yavanna what the Ring was to Sauron, containing nearly all of her power, she would have been reduced to a helpless shadow on their destruction - which she wasn't.
 

When the Maiar/Valar become 'fallen' they tend to become limited in their forms, which come to reflect their inner nature. Morgoth becomes trapped in his Dark Lord form after the Darkening of Valinor. Sauron loses the ability to take 'fair' deceptive forms after the Downfall of Numenor. The Balrogs become shadowy, and physical enough to be killed.

This is Morgoth's Ring stuff, as you well know.

The important thing thus far missing from the discussion is that by maiming themselves (in a sense) in taking on material forms, they weren't getting weaker. They were trading one power for another they felt more useful. They were giving up spiritual authority for greater material authority. Fallen Maiar, in giving up detachment from the physical world, were doing so in order to gain greater command over the physical world. They were seduced as it were by the dark side - quicker, easier, more seductive. Their new physical forms gave them greater power in the physical world, at the cost - perhaps not originally realized - of becoming transient like everything else in the physical world.

The Istari/Wizards are a bit different. They are Maiar, but their bodies seem to be created for them as part of their sending into Middle-Earth. Thus they could 'die' even without being fallen, and when Gandalf died, he had to be 'sent back' by higher authority - he couldn't just put on a new body.

Indeed, not only could he not provide himself with a new body, but Manwe had to make a personal appeal to Illuvatar to return Gandalf to service, as he was truly and utterly dead and beyond the Valar's ability to do anything about it.

I don't think there is any evidence the Dragons are Maiar, though, and the fact they seem to reproduce (there's a reference to 'Glaurung and his brood') argues against it. I think they are biological creatures corrupted and empowered by Morgoth.

This is a point of debate since the text doesn't make it clear. My personal feeling is that the dragon and troll species where originally created by some powerful Maiar, one akin in stature to Sauron, extending their spiritual form into that of a whole species. In sense, the 'dragons' were the 'ring' of some Maiar (possibly named Glaurung) that had given up its individuality and identity to become something of a force of nature. This is a lesser version of what Morgoth himself was striving to obtain by enfusing himself into the whole of Middle Earth, turning the very matter of the universe and all of the universe into his 'ring of power'.

There is a good possibility that the Eagles are descendants of Maiar that took this form and got stuck in it, though they appear to not have been fully corrupted in doing so, and are still vassals of Manwe.

Or at least, when explaining the origin of Trolls in a ME RPG (notably absent in the Silmarillion) the explanation of a Sauron-peer maiar infusing himself into the stones to bring forth trolls is the explanation I hit upon and which feels most right to me.

I don't think that is quite the same thing. Feanor also could never create another work to match the Silmarils, and he wasn't a Maia/Vala, so I think that's a more general rule of creating super 'magical' things in Tolkien's universe rather than having to do with the angelic powers of Maiar/Valar specifically.

If the Trees had been to Yavanna what the Ring was to Sauron, containing nearly all of her power, she would have been reduced to a helpless shadow on their destruction - which she wasn't.

Agreed. If Yavanna (turned into the God of halflings in D&D) had been doing the same technique of infusing herself into the material world to create the trees that Sauron used to create the One Ring (and which Sauron tricked the mortal races into doing when creating the Rings of Power), this would have likely led to her corruption. But yes, it seems a rule that you have to have 'inspiration points' to spend in order to create certain items, and that you can't do the same thing twice.
 

This is Morgoth's Ring stuff

Yep.

The important thing thus far missing from the discussion is that by maiming themselves (in a sense) in taking on material forms, they weren't getting weaker. They were trading one power for another they felt more useful. They were giving up spiritual authority for greater material authority. Fallen Maiar, in giving up detachment from the physical world, were doing so in order to gain greater command over the physical world. They were seduced as it were by the dark side - quicker, easier, more seductive. Their new physical forms gave them greater power in the physical world, at the cost - perhaps not originally realized - of becoming transient like everything else in the physical world.

True. Morgoth lost power by dissipating it into Arda at large, but Sauron didn't (I believe it says in Morgoth's Ring that Sauron was actually stronger than Morgoth had been at the end of the First Age, since Sauron hadn't diminished himself), so the Balrogs likely didn't either. But they became vulnerable, as you say.

(As did Sauron by putting his power into the Ring.)

Indeed, not only could he not provide himself with a new body, but Manwe had to make a personal appeal to Illuvatar to return Gandalf to service, as he was truly and utterly dead and beyond the Valar's ability to do anything about it.

That's what I had thought, but I didn't post that because I couldn't remember for sure whether it was direct divine intervention from Iluvatar or 'merely' Manwe.

I wonder what would have happened to Gandalf otherwise? He's still one of the Ainur and wouldn't "leave the world" permanently - that's the Gift/Doom of Men. Maybe he would have stuck around in Valinor as a disembodied spirit (maybe in the Halls of Mandos like the Elvish dead, or in Lorien's gardens of spirits)?


This is a point of debate since the text doesn't make it clear.

Granted.

My personal feeling is that the dragon and troll species where originally created by some powerful Maiar, one akin in stature to Sauron, extending their spiritual form into that of a whole species.

See, I don't think that would have worked. I think they would have been only puppets - even Aule and Melkor couldn't create independent life, and Glaurung and Smaug have personalities. They don't seem to be 'bits of a hivemind'.

There is a good possibility that the Eagles are descendants of Maiar that took this form and got stuck in it,

I believe one of the HOME books (maybe Morgoth's Ring) has a note of Tolkien's where he considered that idea and rejected it - specifically because they're said to reproduce (one of the LOTR eagles is a descendant of Thorondor).
 

See, I don't think that would have worked. I think they would have been only puppets - even Aule and Melkor couldn't create independent life, and Glaurung and Smaug have personalities. They don't seem to be 'bits of a hivemind'...I believe one of the HOME books (maybe Morgoth's Ring) has a note of Tolkien's where he considered that idea and rejected it - specifically because they're said to reproduce (one of the LOTR eagles is a descendant of Thorondor).

Well, late Tolkien revisionism has Tolkien rejecting that orcs are corrupted elves or men (or hybrids thereof) because he doesn't like the theological implications of that and has him floating a new idea that they are simply all puppets of Morgoth and later Sauron. However, this idea is problematic because he's presented the orcs in the text as being independent beings with personalities and even voicing thoughts of rebellion. So, I'm not sure how much we can allow non-settled issues in the Good Professor's own mind to trump his text.

In any event, there is precedent: Ungloiant certainly does manage to spawn an independent brood to plague the Earth. Granted, there is the suggestion she is of Valar status (the missing intended spouse of Melkor), but I don't think it is beyond Sauron's capacity. Whether she needed the aid of some other living creatures seems a trivial matter, given how unlike her spawn is from the natural creature it resembles in stature and intelligence. So if Ungloiant can breed a horde of fiendish spiders into which a large part of her vitality and authority passes, then I don't see why its out of the question that a Sauron stature Maiar (or more than one) can turn itself or pervert something together with itself into a furnace of horn and iron that ends up having a will of its own and is capable of breeding with others of its kind. This is certainly easier to buy as explanation than Illuvatar having created dragonkind to wait around for Morgoth to corrupt. After all, there are plenty of uncorrupted spiders, but where then are the uncorrupted dragons - iguanas?

Also there are parallels, although we know scarcely more about them than we know of trolls or dragons. Where do vampires or werewolves (and presumably from that line Worgs) come from if some Maiar doesn't establish the lineage?
 

It's quite clear that the Ainur can breed with the creatures of Middle-earth as is evidenced in the story of Melian the Maia.
 

I just want to say is, Gandalf is NOT a wizard, he is clearly something else...

Personal innate power...
Never seen handling dusty tomes...
Doesn't have a spell for every problem...
Gets creative with the limited effects he can use...
Actually a magical creature bound to flesh...
Serves a greater deity...
Domain over matter limited to that deity portfolio...

Doesn't that sound like a SORCERER? a FAVORED SOUL sorcerer to be precise? (he obviously took a feat or used the training rules to get proficiency with that sword and took training in history and stuff)
 

I agree that there is nothing that says that Gandalf's staff is anything more than a focus for Gandalf's spells, and said so in my write up. But it is important to note that the original essayist did not make that assumption. Rather, the original essayist and many of his readers would have assumed that Gandalf has a Staff of Power. The essayist mentions that on account of the staff and the ring, it would be possible that Gandalf is less than 5th level, since both would have in and of themselves explained Gandalf's ability to cast the spells he does. Certainly it would appear to me that the idea of the retributive strike comes from the scene of Gandalf breaking his staff on the bridge of Khazad-dum, although I would have to check 'Playing at the World' to verify if this is true. Nonetheless, this gives plenty of ability for a player from a oD&D or AD&D perspective to imagine a 5th level Wizard beating a Balrog, and that is sufficient along with all the other evidence to suggest Gandalf could have been a 5th level Wizard.

It's self-evident why it is more reasonable to assume Gandalf has a Staff of Power rather than a nuclear bomb.

My point is that there is as much evidence for the bomb as there is for a Staff of Power. That amount is zero. Assuming a Staff of Power is bupkis.

Once again, you are misremembering the text and relying on a loose summation of a passage rather than the text itself. They were commanded not to use their power to dominate the free peoples, nor to attempt to overcome Sauron's power by power. Gandalf normally conceals his full power as a 6th level wizard so as to not overawe the free peoples, because in Tolkien's world a 6th level wizard is incredibly powerful awe inspiring worker of miracles capable of doing things far beyond what is possible for ordinary people, but Gandalf is perfectly free in a pinch or in private or when away from observation to use his full power in self-defense or to protect those same free peoples provided his purpose in doing so is not dominating the free people, nor with the ultimate aim of defeating Sauron by his own power. When Gandalf does his fireball type thing against the phantom wolves, or uses lightning bolts against the goblins, or both against the Nazgul on Weathertop, there is no reason to suppose that he is not using his full power. After all, Gandalf rarely chooses to do even that much. And there is certainly no reason to suppose that Gandalf is breaking the command of the Valar to do so.

If they have to warn them not to attempt to overcome Sauron by power, then they are in the same ballpark as Sauron is for level. Both have angelic powers and magic, so if Gandalf were only 6th level, there would be no need to warn him not to try. He's not an imbecile.

Gandalf differs from Saruman not in that Saruman had decided to reveal his full power as a 18th level wizard (or some other crap), because there is certainly no evidence Saruman had any such power, but in that Saruman had decided to rule over the free peoples and defeat Sauron in a direct contest of power. Saruman himself was probably not more than a 7th level wizard, plus whatever other racial powers Gandalf had, themselves no more potent than what would be expected of a character of about 6th or 7th level. Any big difference in the power level of Gandalf and Saruman appears to be related to what magic items they each had access to. Gandalf of course had Narya, as a gift from clear eyed Cirdan, and this is probably the ultimate source of Saruman's jealousy and eventual fall. Saruman finds the Palantir in Orthanc and so has powers of observation and action at a distance that Gandalf lacks. But neither acts in the way a high level wizard in D&D acts, despite the fact that Saruman is disregarding the commands of the Valar. That in itself ought to be sufficient to show that when Gandalf is concealing his power, it's concealing that he's a 6th level wizard and an ainur, and not that he's concealing that he's an 18th level wizard.
Again, not an imbecile. If he's going up against Sauron, it's because he's at a power level where winning is at least possible. If we assume Sauron is 18th level (and I think he's higher), then Saruman would be 16-17th level and Gandalf right behind at 14-15th level, at least until he takes the white and gains power, moving him up to Saruman's level.

Now, there is an important point to be made here. Fireball is actually more powerful than anything Gandalf can actually do. The text makes perfectly clear that Gandalf cannot make fire in midair or set alight anything that cannot burn.

There is no such text. What he did in the Hobbit does not in any way make it clear that he can only do that sort of thing.

Most of what is in D&D is in one way or the other, all disclaimers aside, inspired by Tolkien's works. Often it is based on the reader's lack of clarity regarding the text or wrong imagination of the scene, as for example with the fireball spell or any number of other things, be it elves (who don't need to sleep), elvish chainmail, goblins, ents, or mithril. To say then that the mithril of Middle Earth is far more powerful than the mithril of D&D is on some level ridiculous. The mithril of D&D is intended to be the mithril of middle earth.

It's nothing like the mithril of Middle Earth, just as D&D dwarves and elves are nothing like Middle Earth dwarves and elves. They are poor approximations limited by play balance.

And if you are to assume that Gandalf's powers are only that of a wizard, there is no reason to assume that he is anything more than a 5th or 6th level wizard.
There's no reason to assume that just because he didn't show anything more powerful, that he couldn't cast anything more poweful.

Why not? Exactly what a dragon breaks when it falls is pretty much entirely up to the DMs license, and indeed even the term 'broken mountains' involves a bit of literary license to decide what is meant by that.

Broken mountains means broken mountains. Literary license in what that means is the same as the movies having elves at Helm's Deep. It's the sort of "literary license" that invents fabrication whole cloth.

The basic problem you seem to have is that you know that in 3e there are 34HD dragons, and so 10HD doesn't seem very potent to you. But a 10 HD ancient red dragon in 1e has 80 hit points, and saves as and probably should be treated as for the purpose of XP a 17HD monster. And a monster with 80 hit points and effectively 17HD is enormous and epicly powerful in 1e D&D. Keep in mind that the attack table only goes up to 16HD. But ok, even if we assume Ancalagon was a unique dragon and not simply the largest possible size of firebreathing dragon which I don't agree that we should, then he is no more than the Tolkien universe's equivalent to Tiamat - and 1e Tiamat only had like 133 hit points.

Um, no. The problem I'm having is that Ancalagon the Black was large enough to break mountains when he fell. That can't be modeled by 1e dragons, or even by 1e Tiamat.

A solar can easily cast Animate Object, which is afterall only a 6th level clerical spell, and which would allow an object to appear to be alive - though actually mindless. The SRD says of the spell: "You imbue inanimate objects with mobility and a semblance of life." I believe that it is compatible with the idea of a semblance of life for a statue to move and breathe and appear alive. The Silmarillion text explicitly says that everything the Dwarfs were doing prior to Illuvatar's intervention was simply Aule animating them according to his will, and they wouldn't have moved at all if he had not continually willed it. So if anything, Aule had less power than Animate Object appears to confer, although obviously we can't be sure how Animate Object actually works.

You are not remembering correctly. The dwarves could only act when his thought was upon them. That's is not at all the same as they could only act as puppets. When his thought and power were upon them, THEY could act. They had the ability and life to do things. When his thoughts were not upon them, they could not act. He needed Eru for that.

Fundamentally, you are repeating the error the original essayist is speaking out against. The idea that the Valar have to be greater gods or that Ancalagon can't simply be the largest possible firebreathing dragon or that Gandalf can't be a 6th level wizard or that the Balrog of Moria cant' be an ordinary Balor involves mentally diminishing what those things actually are, and making them in your imagination small and trite things. But not only is that contrary to the intention of the original author of those things which intended those things to not only represent the very things you claim they can't be and who likewise intended them to be awesome, but in doing so you are unnecessarily crapping on your own game world by making your PC's small things of little worth, your stories smaller things than the game intended them to be, your setting more trite than it was intended, and your gameplay slower and more complicated than was intended simply because you are insisting on multiplying all the numbers by some factor just to make them feel extraordinarily large to you. But if you look at the text, that's ridiculous. Balors and Solars are intended to be so rare and powerful as to be countable things in the entire multiverse. It's not the original conception that is small - it's what DMs have done with them since then.

No. I'm simply rejecting the plethora of unsupported assumptions that the author of the essay makes in order to make everything as weak as he wants it.
 

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