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[GMforPowergamers]

Nice thing about this January release is it leaves plenty of time for a big loud boycott of the movie.

why would we boycott a movie about book publishing? more to the fact how would anyone SHOW that said boycott was infact people not going cause of the SRD/OGL and not cause it just didn't appeal to them?

 

[Maxperson]

Yes it is

One independent person reporting the leak is the most credible. Perhaps more than one if there is a tie.

 

[DarkCrisis]

I think you're thinking of EN Publishing's EN Armoury: Chainmail Bikini (affiliate link).

Nope. Never seen that before.

 

[Parmandur]

WotC may do a lot of stupid things that I don't agree with but I can't see them pissing into Critical Roles cheerios. They have them to thank for a lot of the high sales numbers. Losing Critical Role to a different game would be taking away money from their own pockets.

They probably already have a custom agreement in place.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

This is demonstrable false. We have a 347 page thread on this forum that details how aggressively WotC has gone after "blatantly racist" stuff. Including significant legal action that actually states one reason they are looking to shut down this "publisher" is because of the blatantly racist content.

I've never seen that thread, can you link it or at least name it so I can search it?

 

[mamba]

why would we boycott a movie about book publishing? more to the fact how would anyone SHOW that said boycott was infact people not going cause of the SRD/OGL and not cause it just didn't appeal to them?

why not? the only thing that matters to WotC is clearly money, so I vote with my wallet

I do not care if it flops because it is a bad movie or because of this. I am not seeing it because of this and hope it flops for any reason

 

[Scribe]

WotC may do a lot of stupid things that I don't agree with but I can't see them pissing into Critical Roles cheerios. They have them to thank for a lot of the high sales numbers. Losing Critical Role to a different game would be taking away money from their own pockets.

I doubt they lose CR. Too many eyes on both.

I'd laugh for a solid afternoon if they went to PF1 though.

 

[darjr]

About the movie. I was planning to take the whole family. Even arrange a bday watch with family and friends. I’m kinda soured on the idea. I would have thought WotC would want enthusiasts fans and hobbyists to be the ice breakers for this movie. I guess not.

 

[J.Quondam]

why would we boycott a movie about book publishing? more to the fact how would anyone SHOW that said boycott was infact people not going cause of the SRD/OGL and not cause it just didn't appeal to them?

Why/Why not? Because it's all part of the vaunted "undermonetized D&D lifestyle" that Hasbro is pushing.

I said it needed to be a "loud" boycott: prompted by streamers and bloggers, picked up by gizmodo or something, repeated all over social media, etc. Obviously, simply not showing wouldn't do anything unless it's been telegraphed why they're not showing. The aim would be the threaten the box-office take on a potentially good D&D movie, specifically by people who love D&D. Presumably it would depend on the relative amounts of money at stake and whatever publicity came of it.

It might mean something. Or it might not.
But there's one way to find out.

 

[BrokenTwin]

why would we boycott a movie about book publishing? more to the fact how would anyone SHOW that said boycott was infact people not going cause of the SRD/OGL and not cause it just didn't appeal to them?

Usually if you want to boycott something, being vocal about why you're boycotting it is part of the process. And yes, if a company is doing something you disagree with, boycotting other things they do as a form of protest is perfectly valid.

I've never seen that thread, can you link it or at least name it so I can search it?

Pretty sure they're referring to the nuTSR thread? Just a guess on my end though.

 

[Parmandur]

About the movie. I was planning to take the whole family. Even arrange a bday watch with family and friends. I’m kinda soured on the idea. I would have thought WotC would want enthusiasts fans and hobbyists to be the ice breakers for this movie. I guess not.

This doesn't really impact my interest in seeing the movie at all. I'm fairly emotionally detached about these changes, to be honest, and don't see it impacting my behavior or purchasing decisions. And I buy 3PP stuff and know what's going on, I wonder how many D&D players in general will even take note at all...?

 

[Knorrrssk]

I've never seen that thread, can you link it or at least name it so I can search it?

Presumably this one:

TSR - The Full & Glorious History of NuTSR

Because the Saga of TSR3 has been ongoing for a while, with many landmarks, I thought I'd do a quick timeline for those who haven't had the time (or, frankly, inclination) to keep up with the whole palaver. As multiple entities refer to themselves as TSR, I will use the nomenclature (1), (2)...

www.enworld.org

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I'm sure they already have a special deal with Darrington Press and Critical Role Productions LLC. They already have a good business relationship, with the Wildmount sourcebook and the Netherdeep adventure being published by WotC, D&D Beyond being a longtime sponsor of the show and all. They certainly secured a deal with their biggest 3rd-party supplier before preparing this (and probably left them out of the sucky deal that we're all getting).

I can't say the same for Paizo and the others. Though I hope Darrington Press keeps in mind that Paizo was once a favoured partner for WotC in publishing the Dungeon and Dragon magazines as well...

Bad press and bad feelings spread.

It's all very well if WotC have a cosy custom deal with Critical Role, but if this goes out like it is here, even if WotC have that deal, and manage to muscle some others, like Paizo, the backlash will still be there, but instead of just being directed at WotC, it's going to spill over and people are going to start saying "Why are you helping these backstabbers, Matt? What's up with that?!" and stuff is going to go south pretty quickly.

Even Paizo get some sweetheart deal where THEY don't pay royalties or whatever, and don't use the OGL, they're also be seen as "collaborators" in a bad way (and yeah people will use that language).

So those guys better watch out, frankly. You don't want to be standing next to the guy the muckspreader is pointed at when it turns on!

 

[Parmandur]

Why/Why not? Because it's all part of the vaunted "undermonetized D&D lifestyle" that Hasbro is pushing.

I said it needed to be a "loud" boycott: prompted by streamers and bloggers, picked up by gizmodo or something, repeated all over social media, etc. Obviously, simply not showing wouldn't do anything unless it's been telegraphed why they're not showing. The aim would be the threaten the box-office take on a potentially good D&D movie, specifically by people who love D&D. Presumably it would depend on the relative amounts of money at stake and whatever publicity came of it.

It might mean something. Or it might not.
But there's one way to find out.

My desire for owlbear toys and other merchandise outweighs any kerfuffle about licenses between publishers.

 

[Scribe]

This doesn't really impact my interest in seeing the movie at all. I'm fairly emotionally detached about these changes, to be honest, and don't see it impacting my behavior or purchasing decisions. And I buy 3PP stuff and know what's going on, I wonder how many D&D players in general will even take note at all...?

A drop in the bucket.

"Just let me consume, give me more WotC!"

 

[darjr]

This doesn't really impact my interest in seeing the movie at all. I'm fairly emotionally detached about these changes, to be honest, and don't see it impacting my behavior or purchasing decisions. And I buy 3PP stuff and know what's going on, I wonder how many D&D players in general will even take note at all...?

Probably not many. Movies are an emotional thing to me and I realize it’s not to everyone. Though much of my family and friends wouldn’t see it on opening day if it weren’t for me.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Presumably this one:

TSR - The Full & Glorious History of NuTSR

Because the Saga of TSR3 has been ongoing for a while, with many landmarks, I thought I'd do a quick timeline for those who haven't had the time (or, frankly, inclination) to keep up with the whole palaver. As multiple entities refer to themselves as TSR, I will use the nomenclature (1), (2)...

www.enworld.org

Oh that. I don't think that proves a commitment to being particularly anti-racist, more that "there is a limit", especially if you try and tweak WotC's nose by directly attacking them and attempting to thieve their copyrights! Further, I don't think it undermines the point re: LGBTQ+ stuff which is frequently attacked for being "sexualized" etc.

 

[LordEntrails]

I've never seen that thread, can you link it or at least name it so I can search it?

As @Knorrrssk linked: TSR - The Full & Glorious History of NuTSR
Thought you had participated in that thread, sorry if my assumption was wrong.

 

[Parmandur]

A drop in the bucket.

"Just let me consume, give me more WotC!"

That's how the market works, basically. People buy stuff based on the appeal they see in front of them, not broad ideological points. Cool toys for my kids? Buy. Cool shirt? Buy.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Nice thing about this January release is it leaves plenty of time for a big loud boycott of the movie.

I'd show solidarity with you ... but Chris Pine is kinda dreamy.

Wait .... what role is he playing. He's playing a WHAT?

BOYCOTT THAT MONSTROSITY OF A MOVIE! SOLIDARITY NOW!