D&D General What’s The Big Deal About Psionics?

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
But there is also a group that actively wants psionics to work like magic, because it results in a simpler system with a shallower learning curve. You can just roll up a psion and apply your wizard-playing skills, and it'll mostly work.

I am certainly not in that group. I'm eager to see more variety in class design, and I strongly believe that psionics should feel qualitatively different from magic. But that group exists, and I suspect it's much larger than its representation on ENWorld would suggest.

My hope is that Wizards finds a way to please both groups, introducing a system that achieves that qualitative difference while also being easy to learn. The fact that they have spent years hacking on the psionics rules suggests they are reluctant to just take the easy path and slap a coat of psi-paint on the "full caster" template, so I think that hope is not a doomed one.

That said, I also think we're going to have to accept a system that isn't as conceptually pure as we might like. And the interaction of traditional magic with psionic power is probably going to be one of those areas where the "make it simpler" group gets its way--having to keep track of whether a given effect is magic or psionic in origin will be a significant annoyance for a lot of people, and it doesn't much affect the core experience of playing a psionic PC.
If all you care about is official material, I think you're going to have to accept that WotC has pretty much said their last word on the subject. Now, on the other hand, Level Up has just released a playtest version of their psion for a forthcoming sci-fi book that looks pretty darn cool.
 

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If all you care about is official material, I think you're going to have to accept that WotC has pretty much said their last word on the subject. Now, on the other hand, Level Up has just released a playtest version of their psion for a forthcoming sci-fi book that looks pretty darn cool.
Where can I find this?
 




Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Where did they say that?
They haven't, but considering how many times ideas have been put forward and rejected because not enough people liked them, followed by the simple psionic options in Tasha's, I feel they've done all they're going to do. Happy to be wrong, but not expecting to be.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
They haven't
Then why on Earth would I have to accept that they've pretty much said something they never said?
, but considering how many times ideas have been put forward and rejected because not enough people liked them, followed by the simple psionic options in Tasha's, I feel they've done all they're going to do. Happy to be wrong, but not expecting to be.
That's fine. You can be pessimistic about it, but saying that we have to accept that they pretty much said something that was never actually said at all is spreading misinformation. Just tell us that you don't think it's going to happen, because they put out a psionic subclass in Tasha's.
 

Tank you. Yeah, seems needlessly complicated for my tastes and still has very spell-like psychic powers that seem like reinventing the wheel with slightly different details. If people like this sort of thing, then good for them, but I perfectly understand why WotC would want to avoid doing things like this.

Now the context for this psion is that it exists in its own game and is not intended to be mixed with normal 5E, so in isolation I cant say the system would necessarily be worse.
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Then why on Earth would I have to accept that they've pretty much said something they never said?

That's fine. You can be pessimistic about it, but saying that we have to accept that they pretty much said something that was never actually said at all is spreading misinformation. Just tell us that you don't think it's going to happen, because they put out a psionic subclass in Tasha's.
Ok. I don't think its going to happen, because they put out a psionic subclass in Tasha's. Doing anything else at this point would be out of character for WotC and where they seem to want to take the game.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Ok. I don't think its going to happen, because they put out a psionic subclass in Tasha's. Doing anything else at this point would be out of character for WotC and where they seem to want to take the game.
I disagree that it would be out of character. Putting out a subclass is not an indicator that they won't put out more later. If it was, we wouldn't have any additional subclasses for the PHB classes. That they continue to put those out is a very strong indicator that they don't consider the inclusion of a subclass to be the final word on anything. They also shown a willingness to create new classes. Artificer anyone? More psionic subclasses, and even a class, would be very in character for WotC.
 

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